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> Women leaving the beach, going into a shop, or simply standing outside are now being approached by men usually wearing Meta's Ray-Bans, the company's "smart" or "AI" glasses, often in order to film the women's responses to casual questions or pick-up lines without their knowledge or consent.
Perhaps it is time to simply ban them from public.
Whether I'm talking about spy glasses or men, you decide...
@neil I have long thought men should be subject to a curfew so women can be safe at night.
@neil urgh. Between this type of stuff and AI we aren’t going in the right direction.
@neil You raise an interesting question.
I have been interviewing people on camera for our History of the Internet project.
We have them sign release forms.
But there is also the recording of public statements - for which one usually does not need a release form (but it is often polite to get one.)
The question I have is what is the boundary, with regard to use of the recording, between recording a person's image/voice via Meta style glasses and a recording of someone giving a public statement?
Is the boundary related to a kind of implied consent by one making a public talk?
I know that this is going to vary, a lot, between countries and even between divisions within countries. (E.g. California has a law about people controlling use of their personas, images, and such - https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=CIV§ionNum=3344. )
@neil Pfft, amateurs! I just use my Canon 6D belt buckle
@neil
Banning sunglasses with camera’s that can film is a good idea in my personal opinion.
@neil If these glasses weren't a self selector of garbage humans (the same way Cybertruck is) nothing is.
Banning the glasses or the people wearing them seems like it would be a net improvement to any space.
@neil I personally believe in the social benefits of force magnification through example. A few faces punched in should cool their jets right quick.
Sure, the odds of that happening to YOU might be low, but even most stupid people can suss that if you're unlucky, you get 100% unlucky, not a fraction. If only 1% of creeps get their face mashed, it's still going to be 100% for each one who does, and no one wants their face mashed.
@neil How about a mandate that the makers have a warning bright sign to say there is a camera embedded.
As you might guess, they would lobby heavily to block that.
@neil recording without consent needs to be outlawed entirely
@neil
Ban the Glassholes
@neil There has to be a line somewhere between no expectation of privacy in a public place and.. this..
Obviously eventually most private places will ban them that haven't already.. pity, though, I'd have loved some glasses that reminded me of the names of people and where I met them before, or gave me live directions to places.. but they've been spoiled already by idiots.
‘Andrew Bosworth, Meta's chief technology officer, was asked on Instagram two weeks ago about "the stigma around people wearing smart glasses every day"
He responded, external by saying that the sheer number of Meta Ray-Bans sold "suggest that these are widely accepted".’
‘Widely accepted’ by whom? People who don’t know they’re being filmed cannot give informed consent. Have these tech bros ever been subject to a research ethics committee? Legislation is lagging
@neil on a side note: it's also time to boycott ray bans. Fuck the nazi collaborators
Influencer dudes who do cringe pickup artist bullshit should be shot off the face of the earth
Or you could just knock them off and stamp on them by mistake.
@neil I like men and would never ban them from public. Glasses though- the problem is distinguishing malicious antisocial use cases from legitimate adaptive technology use cases which can help the disabled navigate the world.
I am on the fence about someone using mobile spyware tech as adaptive technology to simultaneously violate the privacy of those around them and make their own experience of the world safer and more effective. It's a shitty sort of equation.
regarding: "Perhaps it is time to simply ban them from public.
Whether I'm talking about spy glasses or men, you decide"
why not both?
@neil i haven't actually seen a pair of these in the wild yet, but i imagine open mockery, finger pointing, and laughing at them to be the only acceptable response....
we all collectively laughed google glass out of existence, let's do the same for this garbage!
@clutch_lever @neil Sure, and you could condone people doing that to those that mask (for health reasons?) Let use violence out of fear 'just in case'.
Have I misunderstood - you appear to be conflating wearing these glasses which record others non-consensually with wearing a mask which does not record anyone?
@neil @clutch_lever There are a lot of people in this thread that are condoning everything from finger point to outright violence, based on nothing more than their own fear and assumptions.
@neil this is gonna get a lot of dorky guys punched in the face just because their glasses are old and dorky.
Agree, I cannot understand how these are legal.
@neil As much as I dislike most big tech companies and tech bros, I dislike Meta and Zuckerberg by far the most. I hope something terrible happens to both.
@neil no surprise more invasion
@neil I understand these glasses are excellent for people living with particular disabilities.
@annehargreaves It is such a shame that a person with those needs has to share so much of their personal data with Meta. There must be a better way.
@neil Yes indeed.
Handing wads of cash to the many disabled designers and programmers would sort out the issue of expensive and privacy invading tech as a substitute for purpose-built accessibility tools. It would also be better than “disability dongles” from design schools.
@neil better to ban both.
we're going to need cis hetero men to start going up to these guys and interrupting them. "Hey, nice glasses. Can I try them on? No? Why not? What's wrong? C'mon, man, lemme try on your glasses." Reach for them. Make their video'ing of women*, girls* and children (yeah... boys are also going to be victims of these kinds of sleazebags) uncomfortable, embarrassing, impossible. They will not respect anyone else. It is time to step up.
@neil I have already seen pubs with a ban sign.
@neil
I prefer to imagine you're talking about the glasses. I wouldn't be happy either if an unknown woman filmed me. It's not a question of gender but of privacy.
@Artilaina Do you have anything to suggest that women are using these to film men?
My suspicion is that this is another example of misogynistic abuse, and that ignoring gender is mere deflection.
@neil
I don't need to wait until someone films me to say that I don't fancy being filmed.
Each person's reasons for secretly filming another may be sexism, misogyny or even bullying, but that doesn't change the fact that it affects people's privacy. It's not the motives that are judged, but the consequences. And in this case, it is the invasion of privacy that the use of this device represents.
The men doing the filming are definitely interfering with the rights of the women, yes.
@neil
"Whether I'm talking about spy glasses or men, you decide..."
This sucks
@neil No. Toss me out an airlock.
@neil fun fact: where I currently live such device would be considered spy tech (made to secretly gather information), and you're legally forbidden even owning such device, neither use
Maybe it's time to borrow this practice
@neil Companies selling the glasses should be held liable for their misuse. This will require rewriting some laws. Usually, if you sell a product and the buyer misuses the product the blame is on the buyer and not the seller. In this case, the sell knows what makes their product popular and they need to be incentivized to modify their product in such a way as to prevent this sort of behavior.
@neil I'm hoping punching male wearers of these creep tools directly in the glasses on-sight becomes the acceptable standard response.
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk didn't we have this discussion years ago? with google spyglasses or so? i thought they were forbidden almost everywhere or am i imagining things?
@tastytea Yes, we have had this discussion before. Definitely.
And here we are again!
@neil I think I'm just going to give anyone who comes my way wearing those glasses a single warning to take that camera off immediately, and then I’m going to punch them in the face! Hard!
@neil All for the love of money! Disgusting.
@neil Both options seem reasonable. Ban both
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