chat is this true https://mastodon.giftedmc.com/@commiebot/116498916652419265 because it feels insufficient to stop war
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@hipsterelectron without classes, who gets to declare war and who goes to fight it?
@c0dec0dec0de that gets into whether classes are a sufficiently capacious concept to describe the racial hierarchy of colonialism
@hipsterelectron you mean, should we use caste if the bounds are ostensibly biological (or at least heritable) and inescapable? I’d argue that castes must be abolished before one can go about abolishing classes as a less strict form of the same general structure.
@c0dec0dec0de you're arguing that the class system described in foundational socialist texts is a strict superset of racial hierarchies due to colonialism and i feel that it is a simplification of the more complex dynamics of racial hierarchies. i think there are similarities (consider "race traitor" vs "class traitor", although these are often used at opposing valences) but i don't think class is sufficiently capacious to represent all of this. a more serious analysis would be able to incorporate this
@hipsterelectron It's stated as a necessary condition not a sufficient one. 🤷
@dalias i think it's not sufficient either i find this unrealistically utopian. at least i understand why people are so fascinated by the idea of waiting for a revolution before anything else can be done
@dalias suppose it's also true that there's never really been a socialist country
@hipsterelectron
well ig in theory it should remove a lot of the motivating factors of war. like resource imperialism, that should be addressed by resources beinf held in common. rape of foreign women such as the rape of the sabines and the wars for drugs in east asia, should be addressed by the suffrage and equality of women.
whether these actually are enough to stop the drive in man to do that under socialism is another story
@dalias
