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Alexis Bushnell
Alexis Bushnell
@alexisbushnell@toot.wales  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

I have no idea where to start looking for information on this & I am so maxed out in every conceivable way & also disabled & Autistic.
I would really appreciate grace & kindness in the responses.

A white English person who is a representative of an inclusive community I run has got dreads.
They are involved in rave culture and have neon colours in them.

I feel I need to bring it up to them but I don't know if:
1. Rave culture ones are different?
2. How to even have that conversation.

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Aegir
Aegir
@aegir@toot.wales replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@alexisbushnell I was really curious what the replies to this would be. There were loads of white people in Brighton in the 90s with dreads, even then there was a vague awareness it was appropriation. I guess try starting a conversation with this raver, see what they mean to him, the neon colours are at least an interpretation?

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Bill, organizer of stuff
Bill, organizer of stuff
@wcbdata@vis.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@alexisbushnell In the town I grew up in, there was a small family of European ancestry (most likely) who were Rastafarian and all had the dreadlocks characteristic of followers of that faith. I think at least in that case, there was no appropriation... So it's at least possible.

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Alexis Bushnell
Alexis Bushnell
@alexisbushnell@toot.wales replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@wcbdata this is a great point, I'll update my original post with some extra info

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woe2you
woe2you
@woe2you@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@alexisbushnell White people have been wearing dreads for thousands of years, it's a style that's turned up independently all over the world.

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Fresco from Santorini, Greece dating to circa 1500 BCE depicting two boxers with dreadlocks
Fresco from Santorini, Greece dating to circa 1500 BCE depicting two boxers with dreadlocks
Fresco from Santorini, Greece dating to circa 1500 BCE depicting two boxers with dreadlocks
Drawing of Polish peasants with locked hair, 1600s
Drawing of Polish peasants with locked hair, 1600s
Drawing of Polish peasants with locked hair, 1600s
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Alexis Bushnell
Alexis Bushnell
@alexisbushnell@toot.wales replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@woe2you I don't know that "white people have done it for ages" is something that makes it ok.

White people have done a lot of heinous and shitty stuff for long periods of time, it's kind of our entire thing.

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woe2you
woe2you
@woe2you@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@alexisbushnell What I mean is there's nothing that makes it not ok. It's a thing that people have been doing all over the world since forever. Europe. The Middle East. India. America (pre-colonization). Africa. Nobody owns it.

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vulgalour - Free Range Queer
vulgalour - Free Range Queer
@vulgalour@birdbutt.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@alexisbushnell Is the concern cultural appropriation on this one? If so, as I understand it these kinds of dreads aren't that.

You can always ask them about their hair from the point of view of fun hairstyles and colours, and open a dialogue that way, get them to talk about why they chose that style in particular, what they do to look after them, get the colours etc. from a practical fun hair point of view.

Could be a great conversation about their culture.

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Alexis Bushnell
Alexis Bushnell
@alexisbushnell@toot.wales replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@vulgalour yes, my understanding of dreads is that it is not ok for white people to have them. I was under the impression that was full stop but I don't know enough about it both from a cultural appropriate pov or a rave culture pov, so I don't know if it's actually different or if it's a case of white people not caring and doing what they want anyway and claiming it's ok.

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vulgalour - Free Range Queer
vulgalour - Free Range Queer
@vulgalour@birdbutt.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@alexisbushnell In the 90s particularly, the appropriation of black hairstyles by white people was a problem, and a lot of the no-dreads-on-whites narrative seems to come from that place in my experience.

Now, people understand and respect black hair culture a lot more and it's more nuanced. However, I'm a white person so I can't speak for the black experience on this.

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