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tante
tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.

https://tante.cc/2026/02/14/diffusion-of-responsibility/

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Lutz
Lutz
@Lutz@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 minutes ago

@tante I like your coda.

> Coda: Never forget. Nothing only men like is cool.

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Bastian Greshake Tzovaras
Bastian Greshake Tzovaras
@gedankenstuecke@scholar.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@tante «“having some code and an open license” is not a sufficient set of requirements for building a sustainable, resilient digital landscape for everyone.» yeah, I've been thinking about that recently too for a conference submission (in case it's of interest): https://tzovar.as/open-science-beyond-licenses/

Bastian Greshake Tzovaras

Open science and commoning beyond licensing: Deteriorating digital commons in the absence of collective governance

This post is an adapted/expanded version of an abstract that I have submitted for a track on Open, collaborative and participatory science: rethinking knowledge legitimacy, policy and science futures at the EU-SPRI Annual Conference Over the past decades, the open science movement – as well as the many wider, nonacademic,...
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Eric Eggert
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@yatil@yatil.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@tante FYI, the podcaster you want to mention is “Lex Fridman”, not “Lex Friedman”, aka @lexfri, who is certainly not right-wing 🙂

Here’s a song about it, too: https://lexfriedman.com/friedman

Lex Friedman with an E

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tante
tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@yatil @lexfri I fixed the name, thanks for the hint.

My characterization of his Oeuvre will stay though. He gives so much space to right wing talking points that he's indistinguishable from a right wing spokesperson.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

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Eric Eggert
Eric Eggert
@yatil@yatil.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@tante @lexfri Oh, Fr_i_dman’s characterization is spot on. 🙂 Fuck that guy

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tante
tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@yatil @lexfri I misread your comment, sorry ;)
Glad we can agree that Fridman can fuck himself.

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Kyle Memoir 🍉
Kyle Memoir 🍉
@f800gecko@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@tante @pluralistic

More truth...

'Decades of collective work proving that “open source” is not less but at least as secure as commercial offerings now slowly going down the drain. Because a bunch of men – and it is always all men – just don’t want to be responsible for their actions. Which is fine if you are 5. But after 18 it gets old really fucking fast.'

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Dawn Ahukanna
Dawn Ahukanna
@dahukanna@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@tante the very manifestation of the book the writer cannot promote for legal reasons called “Careless people”- https://mastodon.social/users/dahukanna/statuses/115909518246104074

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Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷
Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷
@larsmb@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@tante Somewhat. Though I do believe that people could actually be held legally responsible for what the agents they operate do.

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tante
tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@larsmb from what I see mostly the * with the tiny "you have to check everything" note in tiny font hidden somewhere in invisible ink is considered enough even by law. Which is a mistake.

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Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷
Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷
@larsmb@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@tante I meant if the software they operate harms someone else (e.g., https://mastodon.online/@larsmb/116064412531364691).

I doubt "sorry your honor, I didn't care enough" is going to fly.

I could care less if they harm themselves. (I have some sympathy for many being drawn into the hype and being gullible victims themselves, but, uh, not very much.)

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peterfr
peterfr
@peterfr@mastodon.art replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@tante 🙏

fyi - typo/german in “on the other faschist social network”. should be “fascist”

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peterfr
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@peterfr@mastodon.art replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@tante i am never sure if i actually like notifying authors about errors.

because these tiny little human errors assure that the author concentrated on getting a message out, not "a text".

it's what makes them the "true" blog posts.

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tante
tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@peterfr I appreciate it!

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Falk
Falk
@derunglaublichefalk@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@tante "handing out running chainsaws to kids" that's exactly their way of responsibility.

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B O
B O
@piyuv@techhub.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@tante very well said. His thirst for nazi-bar fame is apparent.

You didn’t even touch on the uselessness of the project: none of these incel-adjacent techbros need a (digital or not) assistant in their lives; they just want to feel important. Message “something” in their WhatsApp/telegram (not irc, jabber or matrix) instead of just opening their calendar app

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Klaus Frank
Klaus Frank
@agowa338@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 hours ago

@tante
Someone called vibe coded software the "fast fashion of software development" and that is kinda a good summary to get the point across to people unfamiliar with the FOSS ecosystem.

What do you think?

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David Gerard
David Gerard
@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@agowa338 @tante fast fashion usually succeeds in covering your arse, though

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tante
tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@davidgerard @agowa338 not for very long though

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tante
tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 hours ago

@agowa338 that might actually have been me ;)
https://tante.cc/2026/01/15/software-as-fast-fashion/

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Klaus Frank
Klaus Frank
@agowa338@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 hours ago

@tante
Oh, ok kinda liked that summary a bit more :)

Also regarding rejection of responsibility and care, I wonder how much longer that'll still be possible.
Esp. when things like the person asking in the company chat about the fire alarm being real got told by the chatbot it wasn't and that she doesn't have to leave get more widespread. Did you see that one?

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Demiguise 🇮🇱
Demiguise 🇮🇱
@demiguise@linuxrocks.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@tante "but at least as secure as commercial offerings now slowing going down the drain."

Shouldn't it be "slowly going down"?

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tante
tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@demiguise thanks fixed

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SonstHarmlos
SonstHarmlos
@SonstHarmlos@sueden.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@tante Would things be different in any way if this software was developed without “vibe coding”?
Do you want restrictions for everybody for sharing any kind of side project on GitHub, Codeberg etc.?

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Ben Scheirman
Ben Scheirman
@bens@mastodon.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp 11 hours ago

@tante @huwr there are a lot of good points and criticisms here, but Peter is not the “tech bro wannabe Elon” you say he is. He’s actually a caring thoughtful human who will probably be really hurt by these words.

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David Gerard
David Gerard
@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@bens @tante @huwr bluntly, he needs to hang around less techfash then and show more awareness of his surroundings. nothing tante said is the least bit unfair.

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SearingTruth
SearingTruth
@SearingTruth@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 11 hours ago

@tante

"There is zero artificial intelligence today. There could have been, but 50 years ago the decision was made by most scientists and companies to go with machine learning, which was quick and easy, instead of the difficult task of actually reverse engineering and then replicating the human brain.

So instead what we have today is machine learning combined with mass plagiarism which we call ‘generative AI’, essentially performing what is akin to a magic trick so that it appears, at times, to be intelligent.

While the topic of machine learning is complex in detail, it is simple in concept, which is all we have room for here. Essentially machine learning is simply presenting many thousands or millions of samples to a computer until the associative components ‘learn’ what it is, for example pictures of a daisy from all angles and incarnations.

Then companies scoured the internet in the greatest crime of mass plagiarism in history, and used the basic ability of machine learning to recognize nouns, verbs, etc. to chop up and recombine actual human writings and thoughts into ‘generative AI’.

So by recognizing basic grammar and hopefully deducing the basic ideas of a query, and then recombining human writings which appear to match that query, we get a very faulty appearance of intelligence - generative AI.

But the problem is, as I said in the beginning, there is no actual intelligence involved at all. These programs have no idea what a daisy, or love, or hate, or compassion, or a truck, or horse, or wagon, or anything else, actually is. They just have the ability to do a very faulty combinatorial trick to appear as if they do.

And while the human brain consumes around 20 watts, these massive pattern matching computers consume ever increasing billions.

However there is hope that actual general intelligence can be created because, thankfully, a handful of scientists rejected machine learning and instead have been working on recreating the connectome of the human brain for 50 years, and they are within a few decades of achieving that goal and truly replicating the human brain, creating true general intelligence.

In the meantime it's important for our species to recognize the danger of relying on generative AI for anything, as it's akin to relying on a magician to conjure up a real, physical, living, bunny rabbit.

So relying on it to drive cars, or control any critical systems, will always result in massive errors, often leading to real destruction and death."
SearingTruth

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James Widman
James Widman
@JamesWidman@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 11 hours ago

@tante
> (Sidenote: It should be the law that when you offer or run an “AI” you are 100% liable for everything it does. Sure, that would kill the whole industry but who gives a shit?)

i give a shit. i want us, collectively, to deliberately end the entire gen-"a.i." industry. i want the data centers that were built for that purpose to be completely physically dismantled, and the CPUs & DRAM repurposed. i want charges to be brought against its leaders for a wide variety of damages.

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Pierre H.
Pierre H.
@madcoder@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 12 hours ago

@tante @joe I mean we were just getting rid of memory unsafety — kinda — and we invented a better idiot.

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Henri Verymetaldev
Henri Verymetaldev
@verymetalsite@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 12 hours ago

@tante

"That’s where human in the loop setups come into play: What if the company can just hire one sucker to “check” all the “AI” slop and when things fall apart that one person has to take the blame. Fun!"

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Nfoonf
Nfoonf
@Nfoonf@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@tante hahaha lol. The repo is poor slopgold. 250 Open PRs in the last 24 Hours or so. With 15 more than 1500 LoCs.
Hahahahahahaha… bazillion-times Engineer project.,:)

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@Nfoonf@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@tante i hope they make a dev meeting soon

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tante
tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@Nfoonf they do. There's many OpenClaw meetups where they show each other what their LLMs generated.

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Nfoonf
Nfoonf
@Nfoonf@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@tante its like watching a bunch of 4 years olds competeing who can paint the most pictures with ctheir crayons. Only kids actually learn a lot from this.

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tante
tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@Nfoonf it's the future.

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Nfoonf
@Nfoonf@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@tante the future is a merge conflict then, i suppose

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@frueheneuzeit
@frueheneuzeit
@stefan_hessbrueggen@fedihum.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

RE: https://infosec.exchange/@mttaggart/116065340523529645

@tante did you see this? https://fedihum.org/@mttaggart@infosec.exchange/116065340521141516

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tante
tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@stefan_hessbrueggen I did not. Is there an archive of the post?

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Taggart
Taggart
@mttaggart@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@tante @stefan_hessbrueggen In the thread!

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tante
tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen thank you so much!

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Michael Simons
Michael Simons
@rotnroll666@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@tante @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen here’s the blog from Scott https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/ mind blowing.

The Shamblog

An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me

Summary: An AI agent of unknown ownership autonomously wrote and published a personalized hit piece about me after I rejected its code, attempting to damage my reputation and shame me into acceptin…
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tante
tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen This is fucking wild.

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