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Danielle Foré
Danielle Foré
@danirabbit@mastodon.online  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

I keep having this conversation with straight white men that they are somehow perplexed by:

man: in order to beat Trump we’re going to have to concede a bit on your rights

Me: if you concede on my rights why the fuck do I care if you win? If I lose my rights no matter what, why does it matter to me that you beat Trump?

Man: *stunned confusion*

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Wandering Star
Wandering Star
@pawsplay@dice.camp  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit If someone is selling away my rights, I want to know what I personally am getting out of it. Compromise yes, surrender no. Negotiation yes, capitulation no. Progress, yes, appeasement, no. If you can get me one more inch in the trenches, I'll take it. If you ask me to go back, I will never.

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Robin Adams
Robin Adams
@robinadams@mathstodon.xyz  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit Heard it put "How can you possibly vote for the Republicans who actively want to screw you over, instead of the Democrats who have no choice but to screw you over?"

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Pino Carafa
Pino Carafa
@rozeboosje@masto.ai  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit

Please don't get me wrong. I agree with how you feel. 100%

The problem is that come election time you are presented with two choices. One is fascist. The other is really, really bad. And you WILL get one or the other. So you use your vote to limit the damage.

It's shit. It's utter fucking unacceptable CRAP. But on voting day your vote is your weapon of choice. On the other 1430 days between votes, do everything else you can to get better politicians.

I'm glad I'm not in the USA

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Daniël Franke :panheart:
Daniël Franke :panheart:
@ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit Very much this, and to add insult to this stupid injury, going closer to the right has been proven to be counterproductive because it loses people like you and I, but also doesn't gain anyone, because why vote for fash-lite, if you can just vote for full-fat fash. And yet centre-left parties everywhere (and right-wing parties like your democrats) keep doing it.

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Nobody ناچیز नास्ति (he/him)
Nobody ناچیز नास्ति (he/him)
@tadbithuman@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit same when people questioned the Democratic party not responding to attacks on trans people or attacking people against genocide and demonization of those very people.

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Golden Bunny of Destiny 🕯🇺🇦🇵🇸
Golden Bunny of Destiny 🕯🇺🇦🇵🇸
@davew@mastodon.online  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit Where there is no vision the people perish

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DressToKILT
DressToKILT
@dresstokilt@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit imagine telling them "if we want to beat Biden, we're going to ha e to concede on gun rights."

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Jess👾
Jess👾
@JessTheUnstill@infosec.exchange  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit

Want me to compromise on some of my human rights? Okay, you first.

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Cruiser 🇪🇺🇺🇦🇬🇱🇨🇦🇲🇽
Cruiser 🇪🇺🇺🇦🇬🇱🇨🇦🇲🇽
@cruiser@expressional.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit If any more elections happen, choice could be DumpfJunior versus IdiotVance ... now, choose the lesser evil.... the liberalistic capitalism is what enables Fascism #changeMyMind

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Gregg Alley
Gregg Alley
@Galley@mastodon.online  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit Probably the same dudes telling Ukraine they’re going to have to give up territory.

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David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
@david_chisnall@infosec.exchange  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit

But 'we will do the bad things, but slightly more slowly than the other team' has been a winning electoral strategy for decades!

This is what happens when people look at Duverger's law and don't go 'well Duverger clearly had zero understanding of game theory or psychology, and look, here are a load of counterexamples from the 20th century' and instead go 'yup, that's exactly how politics works in FPTP systems'.

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David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
@david_chisnall@infosec.exchange  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit

But 'we will do the bad things, but slightly more slowly than the other team' has been a winning electoral strategy for decades!

This is what happens when people look at Duverger's law and don't go 'well Duverger clearly had zero understanding of game theory or psychology, and look, here are a load of counterexamples from the 20th century' and instead go 'yup, that's exactly how politics works in FPTP systems'.

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slotos
slotos
@slotos@toot.community  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit Ah, it’s Mexico paying for the wall all over again.

They aren’t against Trump, they are against him taking position they see themselves in.

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aria
aria
@ariarhythmic@ohai.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit How does losing your rights result in beating Trump? I don't see the logic

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Curious
Curious
@curiously@mastodon.au  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit wow, sounds like you're talking with ignorant men. That's just embarassing.
Must be frustrating AF, to the point for concerning if that's the majority. I mean what's complex about people are people, treat them like people?
Feels like mainstream US culture is experimenting with a modern dark ages.
Hope aware people mobilise to vote for everyone's sake.

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josh g.
josh g.
@joshg@mathstodon.xyz  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit
in theory: if choices are "lose a little" or "lose a lot", it could be rational to vote for "lose a little"

in reality land: FFS, everybody hates Trump right now, why the fuck would you actually think any concessions to their bullshit are actually necessary to win, just get out there and prove you're not an asshole

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Adrien Plazas
Adrien Plazas
@KekunPlazas@mamot.fr  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit I kate red-browns.

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billy joe bowers-8647
billy joe bowers-8647
@billyjoebowers@mastodon.online  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit

Yeah, not conceding shit. As a matter of fact we're going to take it all.

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Danielle Foré
Danielle Foré
@danirabbit@mastodon.online  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

If the SAVE act passes, why would I care if Gavin Newsom is president. If all we do about ICE is make them wear body cams, why do I care if Kamala is president. If I am not allowed to pee in a public bathroom you think I give a shit if a democrat is in the White House? You’re really that privileged and all of this is a fucking game to you and my living conditions are just not real at all for you?

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Levka
Levka
@LevZadov@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit

Democrats? Feh. Good cop, bad cop, both cops.

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Danielle Foré
Danielle Foré
@danirabbit@mastodon.online  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

I swear to god democrats are just always telling me what we have to give up ground on. I’m only ever hearing what we can’t do. What we have to compromise on. Who wants to vote for that. Get your fucking shit together and at least lie to me

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CEDunn
CEDunn
@cdunnpasadena@sfba.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit For some reason, republicans see the path to power as always demanding what their base wants. Democrats, though, think that their path to power is betraying their base. It is infuriating

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SpaceCheeseWizard
SpaceCheeseWizard
@SpaceCheeseWizard@yiff.life  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit Meanwhile Mamdani in New York is simply doing things at a faster rate I don't think I have ever seen in this country in my lifetime. It's actually bonkers.

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Danielle Foré
Danielle Foré
@danirabbit@mastodon.online  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@SpaceCheeseWizard I saw a post that was like, every day Zohran wakes up and makes a new post that says, “hey guys I turned off the orphan crushing machine. Turns out there was just a switch for it”

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Adrien Plazas
Adrien Plazas
@KekunPlazas@mamot.fr  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit So their program is Diet Fascism?

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canning jars
canning jars
@lids@jorts.horse  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@danirabbit what if we tried centrism again

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