@olm_e btw I say that not to be dismissive, I just realised that we're both coming at this with subjective experiences of our respective geographies, cultural backgrounds etc, so both can be true at the same time.
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This and other recent experiences also made me realise that the anti AI sentiment isn't as widespread within live coding and creative coding communities as I thought it was. A surprising number use it and like it. I had a similar realisation in 2020 when NFTs became a thing and was surprised at how many folks adopted them. One line of reasoning I heard, which I can mostly agree with, is that for years - decades for some - digital art had been undervalued and NFTs provided recognition and an actual livable income. It's hard to argue with that when the alternative is obscurity and fighting for those rare £1000-fee exhibitions.
And right now I feel the "opportunities" attached to AI are doing the same.
I honestly wish the alternatives were as lucrative. And suggesting that I/we start a Patreon, Ko-fi etc at this point feels condescending. It's a tonne more work for comparatively little gain.
I'm still against AI (and NFTs for that matter) but, y'all, I would like $15,000 please.
@hellocatfood the only solution really is flooding the arts with state funding money and/or the recent Ireland basic income program.
@hellocatfood respect.
It reminds me that person coming after having seen an installation I was showing (pretty immersive, but made with poor budgets) and so amazed that he was in front of "a wonder", he tried to persuade me to sell it to some Emirate people, to show in Dubaï or something
I remember the feeling of cold going down my spine and telling him with a big smile "thanks for the compliment, but no never ever ... I cant sell to these people ... (hard to explain)"
his puzzled eyes ! 👀
@olm_e thanks for the respect but I'm still poor 😆
but seriously though I can understand your position. There's also a question of how many steps removed you are from "bad things". For example, my first moral quandary was when I exhibited at Tate in 2014. BP was still giving them money at that point. Ultimately I did the exhibition as it's not as if I making work directly for BP. I was still openly critical of BP's sponsorship. Whereas more artists take issue with Freelands Foundation and Zabludowicz Collection as they have direct ties to the Murdochs and the arms trades respectively.
I think there's a meme that can sum this up somewhere...
@hellocatfood this is true, also in the sense that you can't really play the system overtly (and have to have a cape like Banksy f.ex.)
if you try it will bite back at you somehow
I've seen this many times, like that one (way before already) where a contract I had to do visuals for a (bad) corporate evening was canceled : I was "replaced by a machine/algorithm" bc the company did not want to risk to have "some VJ sneaking images of oil rigs in fire and other horror" during the show ... 🤷
@hellocatfood on the other hand : "digital/computer art" often stays a niche in the niche and take a pride not to be popular ... like some part of "contempourri art" (or "art comptant pour rien") ...
There is a need to reach the general public by the formats (packaging) and crossings with other genre/disciplines ...
For a long time I think it was missing tech like the Fediverse : now we have some tools to use and develop to have our own means of distributions !
@olm_e I kinda disagree with that first part. Like, I get that digital art is/can be quite critical of the art world establishment* but there is still a desire to have the same presence, importance and funding input as it. Even in the short 15+ years I've been doing digital art I have seen it become established. What that means is open to interpretation but in that time courses at every stage of education have emerged, galleries have started, biennials, festivals etc and even last month Arts Council England established a funding strand specifically for digital arts. So yeah, it's popular!
Of course it's still just gonna replicate the same toxic art world but now in the ⭐⭐ 3D blockchain AI NFT Metaverse ⭐⭐ but to get into that conversation I'm gonna have to start charging £5 per minute 😛
*acknowledging that there's different types of art worlds: artists selling to private collectors for £100,000s is not the same as artists in receipt of public funding making £1k - 5k for exhibitions, the latter of which being what I and my UK peers have most experience of.
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@hellocatfood (and of course 15 years later, I'm still poor 😜 )