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GeofCox
GeofCox
@GeofCox@climatejustice.social  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

Somebody asked yesterday if advertising really works in these days of ad-blockers etc... My answer was that if it wasn't working on most people, big business wouldn't be spending 1.4 trillion dollars on it every year.

But I was reminded of a friend of mine, a student of Russian, that went to study in Moscow in the early 80s. He got what he called an 'eerie' feeling walking around the city, in the metro, etc. At first he thought it was the stories about foreigners being watched - but eventually he worked out what it really was: the absence of advertising - no bill-boards, posters, vehicle liveries, shop window displays, etc...

We swim in an ambient sea of advertising - and its effects go way beyond its immediate purpose of extracting our hard-earned money so that we keep working hard for more, surrounded by mountains of stuff we could easily do without.

The most pernicious effects of advertising are, precisely, ambient...
1. It makes us unhappy. That's the whole point. It is fundamentally based on making us feel we'd be better, more attractive, popular, successful, etc, if only we buy this or that latest cosmetic, car, whatever; and
2. It shapes social expectations - it makes having new, more expensive things, holidays, etc, look and feel desirable, it associates happiness with wasteful consumerism, so we come to really believe that striving for a 'luxury lifestyle' - big house, fancy car, swimming pool, jet-setting, etc - is the meaning of our lives, is better than living simply, contentedly in caring families, communities and the natural world.

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Not The LBC Guy
Not The LBC Guy
@NotTheLBCGuy@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@GeofCox there’s a famous old quote; “half the money spent on advertising is wasted. The system only works because nobody can work out which half it is.” Thing is, these days with analytics you can tell exactly what works - and it’s way less than half, which is why IAB ad rates have fallen through the floor. The volume we see is desperation by publishers who now need 5-10 times as many cheap ads to make the same revenue.

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GeofCox
GeofCox
@GeofCox@climatejustice.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@NotTheLBCGuy

Yes - I think we are becoming more resistant - fast fashion is discredited for many, for example, secondhand (albeit often disguised under euphemistic fashion terms like retro or vintage) is becoming more trendy.

I also think we're saturated. Most current products and services are changing in tiny increments. The main areas where there are big new consumer movements are in fact renewables - electric cars, solar panels, heat-pumps, etc - but these are not promising for big business as once bought they tend to reduce consumer spending - and in any case they're all made in China in state controlled or influenced companies.

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Janoschkowski
Janoschkowski
@janosch@det.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@GeofCox
Trying to avoid advertisings wherever possible, my reaction on some randon clleagues „it’s like in this famous advert..“ „I don‘t know it“

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A.A. Delafin, blackguard
A.A. Delafin, blackguard
@mysteriarch@climatejustice.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@GeofCox I remember during the early covid lockdowns, there was a huge lack of advertisements in my city. Most public panels were used for public service messages, very uniform and calming actually.

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Koen Hufkens, PhD
Koen Hufkens, PhD
@koen_hufkens@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@GeofCox No Logo by Naomi Klein deals with this issue (and labour practices)

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Greg Sullivan
Greg Sullivan
@gregwardo@c.im replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@GeofCox this is incredibly cynical and ignores all of the benefits of advertising. Google is free to me. I watch many entertaining things without paying more than partial attention during commercials.

I don't disagree with the points you are making but this seems an intentionally one-sided view.

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Lazy B0y
Lazy B0y
@lazyb0y@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@gregwardo
nope it’s not free.

at times when TV was still the ultimate mass advertisement medium i could tell you exactly who owns a TV and uses it a lot by looking into the bathroom and fridge.

TV users have a lot of „brands“ (that stuff invented to secure high quality products now used to create the illusion that products are high quality without being true) in their fridge, they have 5 bottles of shampoo and other cosmetics in the bathroom despite you can only use one of them…

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Lazy B0y
Lazy B0y
@lazyb0y@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@gregwardo
so the „ad financed“ free services are very much paid for: in the supermarket by buying stuff that has been put into your head as high quality product you desperately need while instead of making real quality they just „build a brand“ and then put cheap logo stickers on products with the absolute minimum quality they can get away with.

if in doubt they even actively engineer the products to break in a defined time so you buy new stuff.

this is how consumers pay free stuff
@GeofCox

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GeofCox
GeofCox
@GeofCox@climatejustice.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@lazyb0y @gregwardo

"They even actively engineer the products to break" - or to force you to keep buying expensive replacement parts - like US razors or computer printers.

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GeofCox
GeofCox
@GeofCox@climatejustice.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@gregwardo

But Google is not free to you. It is collecting information about you and selling that to advertisers - and you pay Google for that - albeit indirectly - when you buy the advertised products or services.

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Greg Sullivan
Greg Sullivan
@gregwardo@c.im replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@GeofCox I actually use duckduckgo but yeah

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Jeffrey Haas
Jeffrey Haas
@jhaas@a2mi.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@GeofCox Advertising ruins everything.

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