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@element@mastodon.matrix.org · 3 months ago

@aral This is not the case. See https://element.io/en/legal/ethics for the public ethics policy of who we sell to.

Ethics at Element

Element is a major vendor of end-to-end encrypted communication solutions, empowering anyone to run their own secure (yet interoperable) communication service on their own terms.

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@zzt@mas.to · 3 months ago

@aral @element “no, there are no backdoors” is rich coming from the protocol whose previous end-to-end encryption implementation was effectively a no-op and whose current implementation leaks almost every bit of message metadata and is notoriously unreliable on top of it

mlen

@mlen@social.hackerspace.pl · 3 months ago

@zzt @aral @element "No backdoors are included, because none are needed."

mlen

@mlen@social.hackerspace.pl · 3 months ago

@zzt @aral @element This was posted out of spite in case it wasn't obvious, I really wish something better than irc (maybe matrix, maybe something else) is the future.

There clearly are usecases that Signal doesn't fulfill.

David Gerard

@davidgerard@circumstances.run · 3 months ago

@mlen @zzt @aral @element if Signal had groups of group chats, that's Discord right there

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@zzt@mas.to · 3 months ago

@davidgerard @mlen @aral @element I fucking should

Tamtam

@Tamtam@mastodon.de · 3 months ago

@zzt @aral @element
what beter alternatives do you recommend? I'm looking for something in addition to signal, that doesn't run on big tech infrastructure.

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@zzt@mas.to · 3 months ago

@Tamtam @aral @element none unfortunately. somehow, software as an industry is incapable of making a chat protocol worth a damn.

Tamtam

@Tamtam@mastodon.de · 3 months ago

@zzt @aral @element
That's a pretty big gaping whole opposite a pretty big demand.

Tamtam

@Tamtam@mastodon.de · 3 months ago

@zzt @aral @element
what's the crux? we see all kinds of genius open source solutions cropping up, what's the thing about messenger?

David Gerard

@davidgerard@circumstances.run · 3 months ago

@Tamtam @zzt @aral @element nobody wants to run a box (cos it sucks arse), everybody just wants to use a service

this leads directly to discord

and less directly to Matrix sponsored by ICE

David Gerard

@davidgerard@circumstances.run · 3 months ago

@Tamtam @zzt @aral @element and you can't educate people to want to run a box actually, i run one cos i'm a control addict and it still fucking sucks to have to do

Tamtam

@Tamtam@mastodon.de · 3 months ago

@davidgerard I'd be prepared to pay for it as a service.so that I don't have to run it myself, which I wouldn't know ho to anyways. I can't believe it's not possible to make it private, even with payments. Not that I 'd know anything about it, but just looking at all the solutions that people have found, like linux on apple silikon chips or countless others.

Proletarian Rage

@prolrage@todon.nl · 3 months ago

@aral and even worse. https://todon.nl/@prolrage/113673379589154244

FKFTSH

@fuckfetish@fuckaas.space · 3 months ago

@aral @element ew, what the fuck? thank you for sharing. do you have any good ideas for alternatives?

Aral Balkan

@aral@mastodon.ar.al · 3 months ago

@fuckfetish @element There used to be Mattermost but I just took a look at their site and it looks like they’ve gone full “military fuck yeah”.

This is what happens when people believe the “we care about human rights blah blah” bullshit of open source enterprise software corporations. The hint’s in “enterprise software” – that’s that they’re about, nothing else.

Bruno BEAUFILS

@beaufils@mastodon.social · 3 months ago

@fuckfetish @element @aral

Mattermost never was a serious alternative to me mainly because of their license model (shortly said opencore).

Mitex Leo

@ml@social.mitexleo.one · 3 months ago

@aral @fuckfetish @element Zulip is a better alternative.