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Charlie Stross
Charlie Stross
@cstross@wandering.shop  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

RE: https://mstdn.social/@Mediagazer/116039970902809253

Reminder that this isn't "disrupting" the romance industry; it's' a spammer's grift targeting Amazon's payment plan for Kindle Unlimited loans, which pays per page read. The perp's ebooks actually average less than 250 loans/sales per book, 1-2 orders of magnitude lower than a real human-written book. (It would probably also be possible to use a bot to generate accounts on amazon to defraud KU this way, like click-fraud in google/FB ads a decade ago.)

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Olivier Roux (moose)
Olivier Roux (moose)
@otolithe@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@cstross @Mediagazer also, in France, Harlequin has been using software to “pre-write” most of their romance stuff for more than 2 decades, so AI is just the next step, really.

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Fardels Bear
Fardels Bear
@riggbeck@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@cstross

1984 keeps recurring. I seem to remember that the Party churns out automatically-produced romance and porn novels for the proles.

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Charlie Stross
Charlie Stross
@cstross@wandering.shop replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@riggbeck Yes, but also triangulate for Eric Blair's thinly-disguised disdain (bordering on contempt) for said "proles".

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David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
@david_chisnall@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@cstross

Safari Books Online has a pretty opaque model. They tried the 'pay per page read' thing for a while, but it was hard to make work without DRM that was so invasive everyone opted out. Now they pay a flat monthly rate where the rate is set by whichever popularity bucket you're in (it was where a lot of the money I got from my books came from, because I got 50% of the Safari income, much less for the print editions).

I can kind-of see the benefit of per-page or per-chapter things for textbooks because I often want to dip into a textbook to answer a specific question. And it's nice if I can have access to a library of thousands of books, but still reward the author of the one I read two pages from to answer my question.

But for fiction, it makes no sense. A 300-page book of prose where 300 people read one page and give up is clearly less valuable than one where one person reads the whole book. I'd want a logarithmic scale for fiction.

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Ratsnake Games
Ratsnake Games
@ratsnakegames@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@cstross "failing to disclose" sounds like there is no intent behind it.

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robryk
robryk
@robryk@social.wuatek.is replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago
@cstross Do you mean that these mostly get people to loan/buy/read them by flooding the selection potential readers are presented with?
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Charlie Stross
Charlie Stross
@cstross@wandering.shop replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@robryk Yes. But also: KU gives you up to 20 loans simultaneously, no minimum/maximum duration, for a flat $10 a month. So readers who don't want slop and accidentally get slop may idly flip pages before they hit the "return to KU" button and try a different book. Which is the grifter's pay-off. Publishing lots of titles under many names simply games the rec algorithm (which includes some random new titles along with some from popular authors).

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God Emperor of Mastodon
God Emperor of Mastodon
@mms@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@cstross How do you see it play for writers? Finding something worth reading was already difficult (unless you go with classics) but now how do one gets enough following for people to actually find their work?

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Charlie Stross
Charlie Stross
@cstross@wandering.shop replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@mms AI is not a threat to real writers. The same problems apply as always, with the same solution: get an agent, get a trad publishing deal, get marketed. Only instead of starting out via short fiction in the pulps/monthly magazines, there are other on-ramps; web serials, patreons, self-pub with web serials/patreons to generate paying customers, then self-pub sales to get big agent/publisher attention (if you want them).

It's a business, same as it's always been. And this is just another scam.

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God Emperor of Mastodon
God Emperor of Mastodon
@mms@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@cstross Thanks! That brings hope

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