@baszoetekouw @ivanvector @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @farlukar
yeah it's just the renderer. someone did a browser wrapper but the rendererer is still changing. but i expect there'll be a browser with all the browser stuff soon as servo is usable for real work.
@duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard mate you directly said I was portraying people here as crazies. I see why you'd want to try and wriggle out of that, but your message is right there.
To make one thing clear: I am not your mate, Jake.
By now, I am just a guy wondering what you are trying to achieve here, using both your work- and private account, working hard to alienate ex-Firefox-fans.
If this is your actual job: I feel sorry for you. Honestly. No sarcasm.
If not: for the love of god, go outside, touch grass, pet a dog, call a loved one.
Do literally *anything* except for whatever it is you are doing here. For your own sake.
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard ok, you've done everything you can to avoid addressing your attempt to put words in my mouth. Maybe that's just your general personality, but I'm glad the people around me are not so openly malicious.
@jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @jaffathecake This is disgusting. You've spent multiple discussion threads ignoring central issue(s) and going off on tangents, focusing on irrelevant details, and just generally avoiding even mentioning the things people are actually concerned about. And now you're trying to turn this around by claiming Duke is avoiding an issue? And putting words in his mouth by claiming he is putting words in your mouth when no such thing happened? All that just to avoid talking about the core issues in this thread?
Are you a professional gaslighter or something?
Before this AI nonsense, I used to recommend (or straight up install) Firefox to friends, acquaintances and family, but I don't think I ever will again. I feel grossed out.
@barubary @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard They also did exactly the same in all the previous therads.
@sotolf @barubary @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs it is literally Jake's job to be like this
@barubary I find the pattern of sneaking in little accusations into longer messages particularly dishonest and distasteful. So no, I do not let people get away with that. Like the accusation of calling people crazy, it's deliberate, and if challenging people who do that is disgusting, I guess that's what I am.
@jaffathecake @barubary but are you capable of actually directly addressing and engaging with the fact that multiple people keep on telling you "no, I don't want that thing that you're talking about"?
it appears that you have an impression that people here are hostile towards your responses. I posit that _your_ continual evasion and non-engagement of this matter is why. as many others have.
so, y'know, maybe try other, better responses.. up to you tho
@barubary @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs he is Developer Relations, a marketing job. That is, Jake is literally a professional gaslighter. Hence the persistent corporate DARVO.
@davidgerard @barubary @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs Something something hard to get a man to understand something...
@davidgerard @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs Oh, I see: "Developer relations lead" at Mozilla (and previously "developer advocate" at Google). No wonder he's putting "developer of sorts" in all his profiles/blurbs/blogs.
Go. Outside. Touch. Grass. ☮️
And blink twice if you need help.
You do not have to write these little "comebacks". Everybody and their dog can see right through them, and they accomplish nothing, other than wasting your personal lifetime.
@duke_of_germany @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs the phrase "corporate DARVO" needs more currency, it's what Jake is doing here. Nobody is this stupid.
@davidgerard @duke_of_germany @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs i used to try to assume constructive framing for all arguments like this but since the advent of the slop merchants all bets are off. they are immune to reason because listening to you means they make less money
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard to be clear: I do not consider people here to be crazy. Those are your words. You chose to use those words.
I got involved in this project because of the feedback I received here, and that feedback helped me make a change (https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115859958902197087).
Yes, this is a section of the user-base, one that isn't identical to the whole user-base. You may choose words like 'crazy' to describe them, but I absolutely reject your framing.
@jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard this comes across as deflection by focusing on a misunderstood word/phrase.
Either way, the tech savvy people I know (who don't use Mastodon) also don't like these "features". People still using Firefox do so by choice, usually due to disliking common tech trends, Mastodon works fine as a sample size.
@thehighseas @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs Jake is furiously throwing up anything he can to distract from the question of AI in Firefox. That is literally the job he is paid to be here to do, yes.
@jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard You're really not helping yourself or Mozilla with this stuff, Jake. We're never going to see you as someone's victim when you're so set on avoiding the *real* issue that literally everyone is calling out to you. You don't get a medal for seeking feedback if you then ignore that feedback and openly disdain the users who provided it. Bogus shit.
@liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard
What Jake has done here — perhaps this was his goal — is change the topic of the discussion from "Does AI belong in Firefox?" to an increasingly recondite and trivial row over who said what and why are they acting this way. I guess one might call this artful deflection. But it actually looks like somebody ducking the hard question. "Naa naa naa, I can't hear you!" crowed Jake's subconscious. Verbatim.
@jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs rarely seen a man so unable to read and understand text
@jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs fabulous attempt at DARVO in corporate comms Jake, well done
