@hamishcampbell The issue here is that ignoring safety and income actively worsens the situation.
Systems that rely on unpaid work don’t just fail to solve power asymmetry, they intensify it.
Which is visible in how open source made it harder for individuals to earn a living while benefiting large corporations.
Unless the “how” of compensation and protection is made a first-class concern, the existence of open source, OMN, and 4opens does not mitigate harm, it amplifies it.
@hamishcampbell This relies on metaphor rather than mechanism.
The critique is not judging a seed for not being a tree.
It is examining first-step effects: signaling, tone, moral pressure, and who bears cost while survivability is deferred.
Those questions apply precisely at the seed stage and are not answered by invoking growth metaphors.
@warmsignull OK will ask agen, where do we get the resources to do the "safety" before the commons can exist. And can I point out that this has never been done before in my experience, so it would be lovely to have these resources in place.
To stop this conversation circling, let's find the resources you keep pointing that we need before we can act.
@hamishcampbell I have suggested one possible solution. However, currently I will not be able to work on it by myself, as I have other responsibilities.
I would be able to work on that only if there are more people involved and the entire work does not fall just on me.
@warmsignull yep, I got that impression early on. So Q. I keep repeating, where are the resources coming from to do the work you prioritise? And more important for the #OMN project - where are the tools to use to do the work... see my last link on funding problems.
We do need focus #KISS
@hamishcampbell Maybe the one exception could be doing the resource generating projects the spartan way, so the next ones don't have to be.
I have also not received answer to what projects and tools emerged from OMN so far, that are active.
What messy work exactly is currently happening?
@warmsignull That's kinda funny after this long thread... it's the old chicken-and-egg problem https://hamishcampbell.com/?s=chicken+and+egg+ worth a read of some of these linked articles, to slow the circling.
The is always stuff going on, it's a full-time unpaid job - I put the effort and focus in so I can work on this path #boatingeurope
@hamishcampbell The issue here is that ignoring safety and income actively worsens the situation.
Systems that rely on unpaid work don’t just fail to solve power asymmetry, they intensify it.
Which is visible in how open source made it harder for individuals to earn a living while benefiting large corporations.
Unless the “how” of compensation and protection is made a first-class concern, the existence of open source, OMN, and 4opens does not mitigate harm, it amplifies it.
@warmsignull yes, but this is a clean moral judgment. Where at the #OMN we are working on messy material reality. You can't keep sidestepping the Q. where do we find the resources to make that correct moral judgment into something real?
At the #OMN we are about affinity group founding to make the tools to work on this reality #KISS
@warmsignull A first step only, what people can build after this first step is more to your focus, but real messy work as to happen FIRST... in your view where are the resources coming from to make that happen, it's a question you are avoiding answering :)
It's something I talk about a lot on the site https://hamishcampbell.com/?s=funding+geekproblem
@hamishcampbell I have answered that the minimum ethical approach for OMN would be to provide guides for people on how to find the resources and how to make a living while contributing.
I have also mentioned that if people are expected to find the information and make sense out of it by digging through multitude of posts and websites, then it ignores the reality that most people don't have time or energy for this. Not that this invalidates the existence of the blog for example.
