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Fedi.Tips
Fedi.Tips
@FediTips@social.growyourown.services  ·  activity timestamp 8 hours ago

Some suggestions for fighting bigotry on the Fediverse:

- Challenge and report bigotry even if you're not the target, don't leave it to victims
- Listen to victims, don't question their honesty or demand a solution from them
- Don't remain neutral, take a stand
- If you're an admin, defederate servers that knowingly tolerate bigotry
- If you're comfortable using Microsoft Github, give thumbs up for reply controls (https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/14762) & keyword flagging (https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/21306) on Mastodon

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Bosque Bill
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@bosquebill@techhub.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@FediTips I like the no-replies option, but Github is more than a simple hardware engineer can untangle.

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@mirano@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@FediTips Bigotry? Where do I draw the line between what I should tolerate and what I should start doing something about? Twitter was mostly right-wing bigotry, here it's mostly left-wing.

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Fedi.Tips
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@FediTips@social.growyourown.services replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

p.s. The reason I mentioned the two Github issues above was because they have come up in discussions by people who feel unsafe on here due to bigotry and abuse.

There were people specifically mentioning they wanted reply controls so they could pre-emptively prevent abusers replying to their posts.

There was also concern about Mastodon's "reactive" moderation where admins have to wait for reports. A flagging system would be "proactive", allowing admins to act without waiting for reports.

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Elena Brescacin
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@elettrona@poliversity.it replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@FediTips I agree with a pro-active approach. No idea technically, but let's consider that in too many huge instances, moderators experience stress and burnout. I think another possibility.
Let's assume the account receives 100 flags, disliked. Not marking it as bigot, extremist, whatever. Anyone has their own reason to flag a post/user.
It happened to me a couple days ago, when an extremist left-oriented said "better 100 dead cops each day and a global change, than nothing"...
Not for the cops, but saying "better dead than..." talking about politics, it's a very terrifying sign.
And after flags, you're warned, like a content warning "message potentially disturbing: what to do? Block the person, block the instance?"...
Not like facebook, where you can organize a big group of people reporting the user, and algorithm shuts him down. Here, EVERY SINGLE USER should see a cw (or popup or whatever) that if clicked on the post, will open: "go on reading, reply, report, block name, block instance"...
It's up to the single user. But the post's author IMHO should _not_ see they've been flagged or whatever. It's like when I've been the moderator in a Zoom room. We were all blind. One of them started to scream and insult, we muted his mic, he's screamed to the moon for minutes!

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@FediTips@social.growyourown.services replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@elettrona

Reports are never visible to the author, they just go to the admins and moderators who then decide if there is a problem or not.

As far as I know flags would work the same way as reports, the author of the post would never know about them, only the admins and moderators.

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Kierkethumbs up convincingly
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@Kierkegaanks@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@FediTips precrime?

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@FediTips@social.growyourown.services replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@Kierkegaanks

No. Proactive would mean if someone posts abuse the admin potentially sees it straight away and can immediately take action without waiting for the victim to see it and report it.

At the moment Mastodon is only reactive, so the only way an admin knows about abuse is if someone else reports it, by which time it may have already been seen by the victim and the damage is done.

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MinameH❇️
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@Miname@det.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@FediTips @Kierkegaanks It's not like there is a clear line for such things, or? how would an outsider know? Maybe its an insider, parody, culture, etc.

I think it's dangerous to suggest "take action" without being asked. You may think of yourself being able to judge always right, which btw. I could not say about myself. Amyway it's like Damokles Sword, isn't it?

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@FediTips@social.growyourown.services replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@Miname @Kierkegaanks

The flagging system wouldn't cause any action to be taken, it would just alert a human admin about certain words and phrases. The admin then uses their judgement to decide whether any action needs to be taken.

There isn't anything automated here except telling the human admin there *might* be a problem.

For example if someone is using words or phrases that are usually used as slurs, they would be flagged up and the admin would look at the context to see if it's abusive.

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Kierkethumbs up convincingly
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@Kierkegaanks@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@FediTips oh cool! I hope it works!

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@FediTips@social.growyourown.services replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@Kierkegaanks

I've edited my post to make it clearer 🙂

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Stefan Bohacek
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@stefan@stefanbohacek.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@FediTips Might be also worth including https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/14762.

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@FediTips@social.growyourown.services replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@stefan

Thanks, that's probably closer to what was being requested so I've replaced the issue in the post with that one.

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Stefan Bohacek
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@stefan@stefanbohacek.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@FediTips No problem!

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@roomey@mastodon.ie replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@FediTips I think there was a lot of racism here when the initial migration from twitter happened, when Elon bought it. And unfortunately, the only way to fix that is to have a diverse and representative group of developers and decision makers.

What probably won't work is a lot of white people voting on features. The trans community plays a big part in this community, in terms of it's development and direction which is great, but there is a gap there, if there is a lack of black voices.

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@FediTips@social.growyourown.services replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@roomey

Agreed, diversity is needed in deciding priorities.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying "white people vote on what should happen", that wasn't the intention.

The two features listed in my post were specifically ones that had been requested in various discussions by victims of bigotry, that was the only reason I included them in this list. For example there were people saying they felt safer on platforms with reply controls, and there was concern about Mastodon's reactive moderation.

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Jules she/her
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@afewbugs@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 hours ago

@FediTips I think part of the reason people don't call others out here is out of fear of "creating a pile on". Which think in turn grows out of the idea that all conflict is "drama", and the person in the wrong is the one who causes the drama irrespective of the rights or wrongs of the situation and who the wronged party is

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D.Drem
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@meissda@troet.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 hours ago

@FediTips Mastodon needs an intern possibilty to suggest and vote for such things

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@FediTips@social.growyourown.services replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 hours ago

@meissda

Could you explain a bit more?

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@meissda@troet.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 hours ago

@FediTips I mean an oppurtunity to suggest and vote for features and other improvements. Based on their own platform and not on a Microsoft one.

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@FediTips@social.growyourown.services replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 hours ago

@meissda

Ah yeah, that would be great!

PeerTube did something like that a while ago: https://ideas.joinpeertube.org

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