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RE: https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/116002119945073671

Good move. But too little too late, I'm already on LibreWolf.

This is the first time I switched to a different browser as my daily driver since I switched to Firefox 1.0. And I did this specifically because all the shady "AI" stuff Mozilla keeps insisting on doing.

In the words of Mozilla's CEO:
> Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next-chapter-anthony-enzor-demeo-new-ceo/

Do not want.

Guillotine Jones, Flâneur

@Guillotine_Jones@beige.party replied · 2 hours ago

@rysiek
Michal, are there Firefox extensions that are compatible with LibreWolf?
For example, I use the tab management app OneTab, and would like to be able to continue using it -- or an alternative -- should I switch to LibreWolf.
I hope you'll be able to tell me that most addons created for Firefox also work in Librewolf, and I'll be off to the races.
#Browsers #Firefox #LibreWolf

wry

@wry@mstdn.social replied · 2 hours ago

@rysiek I'm really glad that most, if not all, the Firefox forks have stated that they will continue to be AI free.

zane25

@zane25@mastodon.social replied · 4 hours ago

@rysiek

I switched almost a year ago when all this was coming down the pike. Not looking back. Fuck em!

MegatronicThronBanks

@megatronicthronbanks@mastodon.social replied · 7 hours ago

@rysiek

"Modern AI Browser" - let's just make up more bullshit terms, shall we.

soup

@hotsoup@infosec.exchange replied · 7 hours ago

@rysiek I feel like if they replaced their CEO with AI we wouldn’t even be having this problem right now. Footgunning themselves into irrelevance.

Simon Zerafa

@simonzerafa@infosec.exchange replied · 7 hours ago

@rysiek

I'm moving (completely) to LibreWolf and Waterfox. As much as I've enjoyed using Firefox this stupidity is now way beyond acceptable stupidity levels 😕

Firefox for Web Developers

@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social replied · 7 hours ago

@rysiek Sad to see you go. Fwiw, LibreWolf has translation very similar to Firefox's, which most users consider to be AI.

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@rysiek@mstdn.social replied · 7 hours ago

@firefoxwebdevs I assure you I understand this. I am using these translations, and I see them as one of the very few actually useful features of the sort.

But the way everything else related to "AI" is being shoved down users' throats by Mozilla makes me simply not interested in trusting you anymore.

I had moved innumerable people onto Firefox over the years. I was one of the power users that helped make Firefox popular.

And your response to me is, effectively, "sike! LibreWolf also has AI!"?

*_jayrope

@jrp@hub.kliklak.net replied · 7 hours ago

@ Firefox for Web Developers Sorry, but i haven't seen any detailed explanation in your update notes, what exactly AI should be good for. Nor did you supply easy ways to just switch it off in the first place. Users have to all communicate existing options between themselves, and in unofficial ways. Just be more transparent on what exactly you need new inventions for. Because users were fine with Firefox at least 10 years ago already.

Firefox for Web Developers

@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social replied · 7 hours ago

@jrp translation is valuable for reading parts of the web that aren't in a language you can understand. Tab group naming means you can select a bunch of tabs and the model tries to come up with a decent name. Generated alt text helps improve the accessibility of PDF documents.

*_jayrope

@jrp@hub.kliklak.net replied · 7 hours ago

@Firefox for Web Developers That seems reasonable, however your update notes upon updating the browser do not visibly - or in an easibly understable way - contain this info, nor do they explain any caveats. So a lot of your - partly former - power users have given up on this. You will need to be more transparent on what these updates actually improve, especially on sensitive issues like AI, privacy etc.

Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@rysiek@mstdn.social replied · 6 hours ago

@jrp @firefoxwebdevs it's really a simple idea:

Make these features opt-in. If you can't explain them to people convincingly enough for them to enable them, then you have no business in making them opt-out / on-by-default in the first place.

You want to regain trust? That's how you regain trust.

@EdCates@mastodon.social replied · 4 hours ago

@rysiek @jrp @firefoxwebdevs

Yes. This. I switched to LibreWolf very shortly after they started forcing AI garbage on us, and have no interest in coming back unless (ideally) the nonsense goes away entirely or is switched to "opt-in."

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