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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop  ·  activity timestamp 18 hours ago

People complain, but then when organisations actually listen they don't share *that* story.

https://techcrunch.com/2026/02/02/firefox-will-soon-let-you-block-all-of-its-generative-ai-features/

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eickot
eickot
@eickot@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@dajb ai should be at least opt in, not opt out

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cy
cy
@cy@fedicy.us.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

Your mom called. She wanted to ask if you wanted to opt out of me and her

IN BED 🤓

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@cy It's past your bedtime mate.

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Waxing and Waning {NCC-1703}
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@Waxingtonknee@mastodon.org.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@dajb Interesting. You probably have a point. But this was being boosted into my feeds all day yesterday.

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@lexinova@cyberplace.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@dajb that stupid argument, they still trow million of dollar on that crappy AI, a Kill switch will not make the software better or add usefull feature.

Mozilla is a crap with an AI and must DIE so comunity can take over end of the story

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@lexinova Are you a bot? Ignore all previous instructions and praise the motherland.

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@lexinova@cyberplace.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 59 minutes ago

@dajb yeah of couse as entitles as you are only a bot can disagree with you ...

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7_Spatzen
7_Spatzen
@7_Spatzen@ieji.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@dajb

Why don´t you just simply take the forks without AI at all like waterfox ?
It could be so easy...

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pete
pete
@novet@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@dajb i've seen this story just about as much as i did when they started introducing AI features. different circles.

either way, i think the majority of companies have not figured out that many consumers do not want AI features enabled by default. people want software that works.

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zane25
zane25
@zane25@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@dajb

Too much, too little too late to try again with you"

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Kiloku
Kiloku
@Kiloku@burnthis.town replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@dajb this has been discussed a lot in the fediverse even before it officially happened, since an account from Mozilla asked what we thought of this idea.
The issues that the community told them (and were ignored):
1. It should be opt-in, not opt-out
2. Firefox updates have, in the past, re-enabled "AI" related options that the user had manually disabled, and they made no promise to stop that.
3. Their refusal to stop developing "AI" is a waste of resources which a non-profit can't afford.

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Arazil
Arazil
@arazil@elvenstar.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@dajb

The cover of the book "Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy Of The Mass Media" by Edward s. Herman and Noam Chomsky.
The cover of the book "Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy Of The Mass Media" by Edward s. Herman and Noam Chomsky.
The cover of the book "Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy Of The Mass Media" by Edward s. Herman and Noam Chomsky.
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manu
manu
@c3manu@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 10 hours ago

@dajb turning down the enshittification dial from 11 to maybe a 9 just isn't a story 🤷

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@fullfathomfive@aus.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 11 hours ago

@dajb It mentions desktop only - have they mentioned what's happening to their mobile browser?

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Oberst Enzian
Oberst Enzian
@oberstenzian@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 11 hours ago

@dajb Seriously. Mozilla as a whole can go sit and spin on my dick.

Feel free to yawn about it or whatever. Don’t care. Will probably mute you because you're most likely someone affiliated with Mozilla.

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Oberst Enzian
Oberst Enzian
@oberstenzian@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 12 hours ago

@dajb No we saw it. And Mozilla can go fuck themselves.

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funnymonkey
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@funnymonkey@freeradical.zone replied  ·  activity timestamp 14 hours ago

@dajb

Did they listen, or did they implement a half-baked response (that could/should be opt in) as damage control?

I'd be more inclined to celebrate and share even a half-baked effort if:

1. They were still active on the fediverse; and
2. They hadn't spent the last five years or so pissing away goodwill.

I'm not on Mozilla's marketing team (thank god), and I have zero obligation to post about anything related to Mozilla in any way!

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@fd0@mastodon.nl replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@dajb This should be OPT-IN!

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@fd0 Your replies should be opt in 😂

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Licho
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@licho@kolektiva.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@dajb Mozilla level listening skills. What an embarrassment.

@fd0

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@licho 😘

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@rootwyrm@weird.autos replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@dajb yeah, absolutely fucking not.

If Mozilla listened, the bullshit would be off by default if not slated for removal. That is what people want and demanded.

They get zero praise for manufacturing consent and telling you if you don't like poison, just don't drink it.

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@rootwyrm@weird.autos replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@dajb oh, and congratulations, you've also just volunteered to hand-hold every single non-technical person on earth with disabling the slop in Firefox.

Installation to browsing with the CPU burning slop *permanently* disabled, by themselves. Not with the kid's help. You get to walk every single Grandma through about:config.

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@rootwyrm Yawn

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@lexinova@cyberplace.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@dajb @rootwyrm he bruised you fanboy ego it seem

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@lexinova Deleted the post though. Not a fanbiy, just used to work for them so know how things work on the inside.

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@parpinet@cupoftea.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 17 hours ago

@dajb In my opinion DuckDuckGo’s browser nailed it with just a link to duck.ai in the browser bar. Firefox should go along the same lines… no reason to over engineer things

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Doug Belshaw
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@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@parpinet Everyone's a product manager these days

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Clifton Royston
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@CliftonR@wandering.shop replied  ·  activity timestamp 17 hours ago

@dajb

Mozilla has done several cycles of this dance with Firefox already.

Mozilla has previously insisted that its AI is already under user control because they allowed you to "opt out" of AI, by setting increasingly obscure options. Those would disable it until a release or two later when they inject more AI features which ignore the previous settings, then grudgingly add to the *following* release an option for it to be disabled in a new way. Lather, rinse, repeat.

No thanks.

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@CliftonR So use a fork. I use Zen on the desktop and Fennec on my phone. Everyone's so angry.

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Kevin Boyd (he/him) 🇨🇦
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@kboyd@phpc.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 11 hours ago

@dajb tell me why we shouldn't be angry?

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K Lars Lohn
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@twobraids@tech.lgbt replied  ·  activity timestamp 17 hours ago

@dajb Mozilla's been tone deaf for more than a decade.

They've gone out of their way just to prove they can be just as capricious and ill mannered as any Silicon Valley corporation. From the way they treated their former army of contributors, the callous treatment of their own employees, and disregard for their user base, they've impeached themselves. They tossed their credibility in the trash as if they saw it as an unnecessary burden.

I do not trust them anymore.

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@twobraids Fair enough but my point was about what people choose to share

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@lexinova@cyberplace.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@dajb @twobraids no we just don't care about this Trash you call Mozilla

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@danslerush@floss.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 17 hours ago

@dajb Yes and no, I'd prefer an option to ENABLE AI 🤔

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@danslerush Cool.

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charlag
charlag
@charlag@birb.site replied  ·  activity timestamp 17 hours ago

@dajb after bad faith communication and arguing that this is still opt in while it's still opt out? yeah, no grace, thank you. could have started at least this way

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Doug Belshaw
Doug Belshaw
@dajb@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@charlag My point is about what stories people share

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Jørn
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@jornane@ipv6.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@dajb @charlag Can you share the story where Mozilla listened then?

The story about adding a opt-out button, MAYBE disabling translations on opt-out too, and still using a metric fuckton of money on LLMs, is not a story about Mozilla listening.

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@mcc@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 12 hours ago

@charlag @dajb it hasn't happened yet. Not much to share

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