@LearnToLivePrivate @GrapheneOS @RustRaven @jmoupah @Yrrussaj @sebsauvage @jolla
Debunking what ?
None of the above articles are saying that sailfish is shit, just that Russia sees it as a credible alternative. So what ? If Russia chose it, it's bad ? That's no proof of anything, just ideology. That's being despising, racist and arrogant, once again. An old occidental tradition...
Ask yourself why the russians, who are not stupid, are choosing Sailfish instead of AOSP (if you can, of course).
@attilax @LearnToLivePrivate @RustRaven @jmoupah @Yrrussaj @sebsauvage @jolla
> None of the above articles are saying that sailfish is shit
The articles aren't covering the major issues with the OS. If you do basic research yourself then you can confirm yourself they worked closely with Russia and Jolla became largely owned by a Russian state-owned corporation. Jolla began partnering with Russia in 2015 after the initial invasion of Ukraine and sanctions.
@attilax @LearnToLivePrivate @RustRaven @jmoupah @Yrrussaj @sebsauvage @jolla People begin against a company closely working with an authoritarian government and having substantial ownership and investment from that government is not somehow racism. In fact, it's you pushing the idea that products built by Europeans are somehow better than those made by people elsewhere in the world. Perhaps your issue with countries like Canada is that they're not white enough for you. Nice projection though.
@attilax @LearnToLivePrivate @RustRaven @jmoupah @Yrrussaj @sebsauvage @jolla Jolla openly and extensively collaborated with an authoritarian government while they were invading a country and engaging in ethnic cleansing. You're not going to make that go away by baselessly calling people racist for having an issue with a company closely working with Putin's regime which started AFTER he invaded Ukraine and the government was sanctioned. Being against that and the people behind it is not racism.
@attilax @LearnToLivePrivate @RustRaven @jmoupah @Yrrussaj @sebsauvage @jolla Unlike SailfishOS, AOSP is open source and therefore it's possible to build GrapheneOS on top of it. AOSP has far better privacy and security than SailfishOS which brings the lower security of desktop operating systems to mobile.
Jolla has spent years attacking AOSP-based projects as a whole which includes us. You only think they should not be criticized in response to that because you're against AOSP-based projects.
@GrapheneOS @attilax @LearnToLivePrivate @RustRaven @jmoupah @Yrrussaj @sebsauvage @jolla Hey Graphene OS folks.
First, it's really great that you guys have created a security focused deGoogled Android operating system.
Given the problems of American big tech, I applaud you for creating an alternative.
So full credit where credit is due.
That being said, constantly badmouthing every other non-Apple and non-Google smartphone maker and operating system is not a good look.
And jumping into any thread on Mastodon where there's a mention of another alternative smartphone maker or OS to badmouth them is not a good look.
You say Jolla is no good. SailfishOS is no good. Fairphone is no good. Murena is no good. CalyxOS is no good. Dumbphones are no good.
I'd imagine you'd probably win more people over if you talked more about why people should choose Graphene instead why they shouldn't choose one of the others.
Because right now, there are tradeoffs with every mobile OS.
That includes Graphene.
For example, there are people for whom limiting their exposure to Google and Apple is more important than choosing the most locked down option available.
For such people, needing to buy a Google Pixel phone to run Graphene is a massive negative.
That's even if the Google Pixel is the best hardware from a security perspective.
And in that case, yeah there are other options that may be a better fit for those people.
There's another issue.
There seems to be many Reddit threads and YouTube videos and blogs out there from people who were enthusiastic about Graphene, but have soured on it.
And the funny thing is there's a pattern to it. "Cult-like" and "toxic" seems to be phrases that tend to be used a lot.
I've also noticed a recurring pattern you put for why the other alternatives are bad is because people connected with those businesses or companies badmouth Graphene.
It seems to me like Graphene constantly bags those other projects. When anyone connected with those projects responds, that response is presented by you guys as evidence of bullying and harassment, without that context.
And the recurring line about how people should just stick with iOS or Google Android if they don't choose Graphene? Just shameful. And completely misses the point of why some people are looking for alternative platforms in the first place.
And the more people who choose an alternative OS, the more normal it becomes to do it, which ultimately leads to more people looking at alternatives like Graphene.
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