@UlrikeHahn @adredish @albertcardona everyone who has decision making power over someone else's salary or future career prospects does it, even if they don't admit that to themselves.
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@albertcardona I think people should continue to be paid to work if they want to and they are able. I do think it'd important that we end the system of senior researchers directing research and instead move to one where they're considered valuable advisors to autonomous researchers. As long as the advice doesn't have to be followed. At the moment, the most senior scientists are the ones I'd be least likely to go to for advice because if I had a good research idea they'd be the ones in the best possible position to put their team on it and publish first, and with the most incentive to do so. This is the opposite of how it should be.
@neuralreckoning @albertcardona
That perspective makes me terribly sad. Science should be about communication and community. Tell everyone about all of your ideas because their dialogue will make your ideas better.
Moreover, there is room for all of us. We need to remember that the problem isn't that there isn't enough science funding for all the positions. The problem is that we have given all of our money (including all of our science money) to a handful of billionaires. (Apparently so that they can fuck up our politics and our society.)
And before someone says "there's no political will for this", I would point out that political will changes over time. Don't give in to their arguments.
If you're going to fight for something, fight for enough science budget that anyone who wants can do the work that helps the world be better. Don't fight to kick people out of this community just because they are older (or because of their skin color or their gender or any other unrelated-to-the-science-they-are-doing characteristic).
@adredish @albertcardona I'm not trying to kick people out of any community. I said that. I just don't want any one class of scientists deciding what work should be done.
@adredish @albertcardona maybe the thing that is unclear is the word "directing research". Nobody should be doing that. You should do research, or advise others who are doing research, but not tell others what research to do.
@neuralreckoning @albertcardona
There are many ways to do research. There are big teams with lots of managers and little teams working equally and individuals and everything in between.
We need room for every setup.
Lots of junior people still need mentoring. (For that matter, lots of senior people still need mentoring.) I would argue that everyone needs mentoring to reach the next level of their career.
@adredish @albertcardona mentoring is fine if it is entered into voluntarily and can be left without consequence at any time. That's what I mean by giving advice.
@neuralreckoning @adredish @albertcardona who does that, though? the only ‘directing’ I see happening is on funded research projects that have to deliver, and that has nothing to do with age….
@UlrikeHahn @adredish @albertcardona everyone who has decision making power over someone else's salary or future career prospects does it, even if they don't admit that to themselves.
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