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Elena Rossini 馃敎 FOSDEM
Elena Rossini 馃敎 FOSDEM
@_elena@mastodon.social  路  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

I'm writing an article about W Social and I'm mentioning how it's basically a fork of Bluesky / is using its open source code.

Are there any Bluesky / ATProto experts on here willing to help me understand something, in a "explain it like I'm 5" fashion?

Update: all good thanks to @laurenshof 's expert explanation, thank you Laurens 鉂わ笍

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a screenshot of the old Wsocial staging page that is identical to the landing page of Bluesky
a screenshot of the old Wsocial staging page that is identical to the landing page of Bluesky
a screenshot of the old Wsocial staging page that is identical to the landing page of Bluesky
a screenshot of dev-pds.wsocial.eu showing it is an AT Protocol Personal Data Server
a screenshot of dev-pds.wsocial.eu showing it is an AT Protocol Personal Data Server
a screenshot of dev-pds.wsocial.eu showing it is an AT Protocol Personal Data Server
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Matthias Pfefferle
Matthias Pfefferle
@pfefferle@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@_elena @laurenshof are you in Brussels already? Maybe this might be interesting for you https://luma.com/9f10yt6f!?

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Kelvin n0mql EN35ld
Kelvin n0mql EN35ld
@kelvin0mql@mastodon.hams.social replied  路  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@_elena
OK, here we go (cracks knuckles, takes a deep breath, sighs)...

"You're five. You should not be on social media."

(Other than the joke, I'm useless here. Good luck.)

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Elena Rossini 馃敎 FOSDEM
Elena Rossini 馃敎 FOSDEM
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@kelvin0mql 馃槀馃槀馃槀 you genuinely made me laugh out loud

I have a 5 year old and I approve of this message 馃槅

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Kelvin n0mql EN35ld
Kelvin n0mql EN35ld
@kelvin0mql@mastodon.hams.social replied  路  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@_elena
Is it weird that I picture that scene from #GalaxyQuest any time someone says "explain it like I'm 5" or similar?

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Laurens Hof
Laurens Hof
@laurenshof@indieweb.social replied  路  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@_elena sup

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Elena Rossini 馃敎 FOSDEM
Elena Rossini 馃敎 FOSDEM
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@laurenshof Hi Laurens! Can I DM you on Signal about this?

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Elena Rossini 馃敎 FOSDEM
Elena Rossini 馃敎 FOSDEM
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@laurenshof Hi Laurens! Can I DM you on Signal about this?

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Laurens Hof
Laurens Hof
@laurenshof@indieweb.social replied  路  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@_elena sure!

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Maho Pacheco 馃馃嵒
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@mapache@hachyderm.io replied  路  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@_elena I am not an expert but if I can help let me know. I have strong suspicions about why W selected atproto instead of activitypub.

Basically there is more power in the biggest actors, a more "centralized" control, to ban/shadow-ban/censure and pull the plug.

In other words it is more impactful when bluesky sidebanned someone or some community than if mastodon.social would do it. The firehose/relay is a the biggest point of control.

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Maho Pacheco 馃馃嵒
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@mapache@hachyderm.io replied  路  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@_elena So in my opinion. Why W choosed atproto instead of activitypub? It is more interesting for investors to create a platform that can be controlled, even if it is just to introduce ads or control the discourse.

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Elena Rossini 馃敎 FOSDEM
Elena Rossini 馃敎 FOSDEM
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@mapache yes, this was my suspicion too... I have a really technical question about AT Proto and their open source code though... if you could think of anyone who could help, I'm all ears :)

And see you at FOSDEM on Saturday?

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Maho Pacheco 馃馃嵒
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@mapache@hachyderm.io replied  路  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@_elena sure. And out of curiosity what is the question

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Elena Rossini 馃敎 FOSDEM
Elena Rossini 馃敎 FOSDEM
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@mapache all good now, Laurens answered for me. It was about Bluesky's "dataplane implementation" and PostgreSQL

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Maho Pacheco 馃馃嵒
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@mapache@hachyderm.io replied  路  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@_elena technically is because setting-up/supporting/maintaining the firehose/relay layer is very expensive. Every single message would flow thru there.

Creating the biggest firehose in Europe is such a power. So, it is easier to be controlled, and very unlikely to be replicated by other entities.

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Elena Rossini 馃敎 FOSDEM
Elena Rossini 馃敎 FOSDEM
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@mapache can I quote you on this in my piece?

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GunChleoc
GunChleoc
@gunchleoc@mastodon.scot replied  路  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@_elena @mapache They also want to require identity verification for their users, so that fits https://www.t-online.de/digital/internet/id_101092238/soziales-netzwerk-aus-europa-will-elon-musk-konkurrenz-machen-w-statt-x.html

Otherwise, they could just go for EuroSky if they want an ATProto network

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