Oh, btw, if we let this common hatred against trans people, queer people, darker skinned people within our borders (Romani and otherwise) and people who are "a burden on our wellfare/institutions/health care" (people with disabilities and bad health) again be a part of the launch pad that gives the extreme right extreme power…
then, even though they (mostly) seemingly love Israel and Jewish people today.
They will come for them again.
It is just a matter of time.
@forteller Who exactly do you think you are to complain to any extent about the remembrance of the 6 million Jews exterminated in the Holocaust, by far the largest group of victims, on Holocaust Remembrance Day? Your childishly naïve perception of Holocaust remembrance only displays your immense lack of education.
@pixelcode I have never complained about that. On the contrary I explicitly said that it is good it is remembered by most people.
@forteller FSVO "we".
When I was on a council committee organising HMD events the other victims of the Holocaust, and other genocides (eg Rwanda), *were* given attention. YMMV I guess, depending on where you live.
@TimWardCam Of course, that will always be the case. But is there anywhere in the world where asking a 100 random people on the street just as many of them will mention other groups of victims as will mention the Jews? I don't know! But I doubt it.
The systematic murdering of 6 million Jews was horrific beyond words! That does not mean that the murders of other groups of people, just for being born a certain way, was any less tragic!
The millions of Slavs, Romani, disabled people, queer people and transgender people the nazis systematically executed where just as human, just as worthy of our mourning and our remembrance.
We should lift them all up, remember them all, equally, without forgetting the difference in numbers, of course.
@forteller Here’s a rough sense of the scale of Nazi-era killings by group. These figures are approximate and come from historical research (different historians use slightly different estimates), but they give you a clearer picture of how many people were murdered because the regime saw them as “undesirable.”
1. Jews – about 5.1 to 6 million Jewish men, women and children were systematically murdered as part of the Holocaust. 
2. Slavic civilians and POWs – this includes ethnic Poles, Ukrainians, Belarusians and other Slavic peoples. Estimates vary, but at least several million were killed through occupation policies, reprisals, starvation and execution. For example, millions of Soviet prisoners of war died, and around 1.8–2 million non-Jewish Poles were killed. 
3. Romani (Roma and Sinti) people – historians estimate between 220,000 and perhaps as many as 500,000 Romani men, women and children were murdered in what is known as the Porajmos. 
4. People with disabilities – under the Nazi “euthanasia” and racial hygiene programs, roughly 250,000-300,000 physically and mentally disabled people were killed. 
5. Queer people (primarily gay men) – precise numbers are hard to pin down, but hundreds to perhaps thousands of homosexual men were killed in camps; many more were arrested, imprisoned or otherwise persecuted. 
6. Transgender and gender-diverse people – there’s no exact total. Nazi persecution of transgender people was tied to the broader repression of queer people, and the numbers killed are not well documented; the figures are included within broader LGBTQ persecution. 
Beyond these, there were other victims too: Jehovah’s Witnesses (2,500-5,000), political opponents, Roma, communists, socialists and others suffered murder, imprisonment or brutal repression under the Nazis. 
All of these deaths were human tragedies. The scale differed by group, and Jewish people were targeted for systematic genocide in a way that was unique in intent and execution. But group by group, every life lost was a person with hopes, relationships and a story that was violently cut short.
The price we pay for this, it seems to me, is the tragic irony in Romani, queer people and especially transgender people being hated so much that it seems to be a huge part of the current resurgence of the far right fascists around the world – it feels like Hitler only took a break and is now again conquering the world, with the same scapegoats as before – while at the same time Israel is allowed to do its own genocide partly because we can't criticize the victims of the Holocaust! It's insane
Last year in the Netherlands I read in a newspaper that the Roma and Sinti had their yearly memorial of the dead on another day than 4th of May, the official big national memorial day for the dead victims of WW-II.
I felt shocked when I read that.
And before I read that I have been thinking about how 'we' in the West generally see the Roma, Sinti, anarchists, communists, queer people and other minority groups who were murdered during the Holocaust. How is it going for these minority groups nowadays ? Do they get a special treatment from governments ?
Maybe, just maybe, if we had given just a fraction of the attention that we have given the Jewish victims of the Holocaust to these other groups of victims, we would give them today just a fraction of the good will that we give the state of Israel, and would not be so eager to fall for the same hatred that Hitler used against these other groups again.
If we really have to let Israel do everything because of the Holocaust, why can't we let trans people do anything?
Never again. For all?
Oh, btw, if we let this common hatred against trans people, queer people, darker skinned people within our borders (Romani and otherwise) and people who are "a burden on our wellfare/institutions/health care" (people with disabilities and bad health) again be a part of the launch pad that gives the extreme right extreme power…
then, even though they (mostly) seemingly love Israel and Jewish people today.
They will come for them again.
It is just a matter of time.
Just in November last year we got our first (I'm almost certain) memorial for the Norwegian Roma who where killed during the Holocaust.
That is very late.
There are 62 names on it. 66 where deported to Auschwitz-Birkenau.
Do we even have memorials for Slavs, for queer people, for trans people who where victims of the Holocaust here in Norway? I haven't heard of it.
@forteller Well... The answer is probably no. At least I haven't heard of any... For 'reasons'...
@forteller unfun fact: when the camps were liberated, the prisoners with the pink triangel, the gay men, were kept in the camps. They never got freed. Because being gay was illegal.
