@Jason_Dodd my fairphone 5 is nice, disadvantages: noticeably heavy (220g), not at all waterproof (the plastic back cover just pops off for your convenience) and the front camera's not good
other than that it's an extremely good high end phone
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@davidgerard fucking hell.
@davidgerard like every phone? Bootloader ARB is widespread
WTF. With a "Why"
@davidgerard I don't use my phone much and usually have either my wife's hand me downs or some rando we got cheap.
My current phone is a oneplus nord n30. i've been meaning to put custom rom on it but haven't had the time.
Guess now I'll have to check to see if that will brick it.
I have already made the decision to just plan on paying top dollar going forward to have devices that are freedom respecting and want the device to serve me instead of the other way around.
@Jason_Dodd my fairphone 5 is nice, disadvantages: noticeably heavy (220g), not at all waterproof (the plastic back cover just pops off for your convenience) and the front camera's not good
other than that it's an extremely good high end phone
The HMD Skyline manages replaceable battery and IP65 (find a video to show how it comes apart! ) , but it's closed-ROM with no known exploits - ( would LOVE to be 'well, actually'd about this.)
#HMD #GraphineOS
@Orb2069 @Jason_Dodd yeah fairphone 5 and 6 manage IP55 lol
fairphone sells phones with stock Android and e/os, and is not ROM-hostile (e.g. PostMarketOS is not official, it installs though not everything works yet)
@davidgerard @Jason_Dodd Although the weight is compensated for by all the money you don't now have weighing down your trousers after buying it. :-)
@denisbloodnok @davidgerard lol. I suppose when it comes to devices and companies continually treating us worse and worse, i'll opt for paying more when i trust that won't be the same.
@Jason_Dodd @denisbloodnok the fairphone is reasonably priced for the loadout, the 6 is £549 on the site
(mine was a gift i should note)
@davidgerard i agree. the only thing is that i'm usually on the trailing edge when it comes to devices. my main computer or phone almost always costs me less than $100. so me paying for a fairphone or a framework laptop is saying something.
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@davidgerard seeing clippy and talking about phones compels me to ask, "what do you think of rossman's phone company?"
@Jason_Dodd hadn't heard of it until your comment!
i mean looks like a nice idea, i have no idea if anyone's made a list of obvious issues
@davidgerard i was thinking of changing providers when i'd heard of it. i'm slow and lazy so it will probably be a month or so but i might give it a try if for no other reason than i like to promote the general things he does.
@davidgerard i'm thinking that when i get rid of this it will be a fairphone.
none of those negatives are issues for me.
@davidgerard Hardware limitations like this suck. I loved my OnePlus (yes, including the OS) but had to switch because of the ridiculously short security update support. And the prices are no longer that good compared to other phone brands.
@davidgerard That's just anti-rollback protection and actually a pretty common feature on modern Android. They should have disclosed for which vulnerability they're burning it, and their software should have disabled the protection for bootloader-unlocked phones (maybe it does? Doesn't seem clear from the link to me). But other than that, this doesn't seem particularly surprising, and you'll likely see similar things from other vendors, too.
@davidgerard concept of a block on a roll back isn't that new. Google Pixels couldnt roll back to Android 13 from 14 even with custom roms, as I remember
@davidgerard My oneplus 6T has been one of my best phone, easy to install custom rom and lasted me for six years. Sad to learn that it's no longer a reliable brand.
@davidgerard Hm that narrows down the field of possible future purchases.
I was pretty happy with my OnePlus One, I must say. In fact it still works, but runs Ubuntu Touch. Part of the touch screen is broken, so I can only use it for dev stuff.
But yeah, they abandoned support for the phone as soon as it's successor came out, so cannot recommend them unless you're going to run, say LineageOS on their phones. And with this anti-rollback move, it seems out of the question.
@davidgerard The Oneplus One was my first and last phone from them, pretty poor support even a year after it came out
@davidgerard well that sucks.
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Wow. This is an incredibly dick move.
@davidgerard Such a pity, it used to be such an outstanding company.
@davidgerard My phones over the last 6 years have been Oneplus. Looks like I'll have to start saving for a FOSS one when it's replacement time. :/
@davidgerard well bugger. i was looking at a OnePlus. Time to get a Fairphone then :|
@davidgerard Never buy anything Qualcomm again. They are the ones who put this mechanism in their CPUs.
"The anti-rollback mechanism uses Qfprom, a region on Qualcomm processors containing one-time programmable electronic fuses. These microscopic components are physically altered when "blown"; a controlled voltage pulse permanently changes the fuse's state from "0" to "1." This change cannot be reversed by any software means."
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So if I buy a OnePlus and it gets a tiny scratch, I just need to to attempt a downgrade and return it for a warranty replacement🤔
(Yes, I live in a country where they would have to prove that the fault is not said fuse to refuse a warranty claim).
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I didn't know anything about that device, but I'm guessing that preemptively replacing the fuse before ROM changes is not an option. Is that right?
@davidgerard I would laugh, but I forgot how.
No hardware should allow to be bricked by a software command.
@davidgerard i just got one because it was the best priced rootable phone god fucking dammit
Thank you for the Info, I had been looking toward purchasing a one plus device.
Now one Plus and OPPO are off my shopping list.
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So the fuse burns if it sees a lower version number.
Can version numbers be bigger? 🤔
@RnDanger @davidgerard Not quite. A new firmware will burn the fuses to mark the phone as "needs at least version X". The bootloader will compare the version loaded with the fuses and reject it if it is older than what the fuses say.
It's not downgrading that burns fuses, it's upgrading.
@davidgerard manau, ES išpistų už tokius dalykus; Color OS yra skirta CN rinkai.
Beje, kaip tik neseniai nusipirkau OnePlus 13 (trečias telefonas iš jų), jaučiu kokybę šiek tiek santykinai žemesnę palyginus su OnePlus One.
@davidgerard Aren't they going bankrupt right about now, anyway?
@davidgerard a hlavne, podľa šumov v pozadí, one plus asi končí ako firma.
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Something doesn't check out.
So there are fuses in Qualcomm SoCs that can somehow be blown from the software? Fuses that, if blown, _only_ prevent installation of certain operating systems, but have no other effect on the functioning of the device?
I have a hard time believing whoever wrote that piece knows what a fuse is.
@davidgerard Man, my OnePlus 3 was one of the best phones I owned. What a shame.
@davidgerard people shouldn't buy OnePlus in the first place, because holy shit what garbage devices. Which get completely abandoned in 12 months or less.
My last two phones have been theirs because they are well supported by LineageOS. I'd still be using the 5T if it hadn't taken an unexpected trip through the washer dryer. The 9Pro that replaced it is also decent hardware.
Their Android version is awful, but easy to replace.
@david_chisnall @rootwyrm @davidgerard I bought one because I'd read how OnePlus supported the use of alternate OS images and made it easy to root the phone. I found out after I'd bought the phone that it wasn't true of that model or any later ones.