@morph
> get a server setup without the need of third party stuff (Google, AWS, etc)
But why? It's like Delta Chat building Chatserver. They're both reinventing a wheel that was already invented as XMPP and then reinvented as matrix. Why not just make Molly (or DC) work as a client for XMPP and/or Matrix servers instead of writing a standalone server from scratch?
I guess they have their reasons, and I'm curious to know what they are.
@ricci Thanks for this important work. Great job in putting a live number next to a topic many people care about, explaining the methodology for general audiences, and visualising it so nicely.
@ricci I've also used HHI in my master thesis, many years ago. You helped me remember about it 😊 I didn't know the Shannon Index!
@mellifluousbox I actually have some additional thoughts about other useful metrics, such as https://codeberg.org/ricci/are-we-decentralized-yet/src/branch/main/BIndex.md
This is calculated and in the site's data file, but not currently displayed until I am more confident in it. But for example, today, it takes 8,314 moderation teams on the fediverse to equal the power of the moderation team at Bluesky PBC (blocking an account from 99% of the network)
@mellifluousbox thanks! happy to take suggestions of other data to collect and visualize
@ricci It would maybe be interesting to see the @matrix or @signalapp network, now that you seem to have expanded this project beyond AP and AT. But I realise this all takes time and is a lot of work. Thanks again!
@matrix @signalapp @mellifluousbox I'm definitely interested in Matrix and people have given me some leads at https://codeberg.org/ricci/are-we-decentralized-yet/issues/2 but I haven't gotten to it yet
@mellifluousbox @ricci @matrix @signalapp
Which Signal network do you mean?
@mellifluousbox @matrix @signalapp @FediThing yeah my understanding is that the shape of the Signal network is sufficiently different that it wouldn't be a great point of comparison. And it's probably private enough to make the equivalent measurements impossible to capture, for good reasons
@ricci
> the shape of the Signal network
There's no network to measure the decentralisation of. Signal is a single service, controlled by a single operator, hosted on hyperscalers (AWS and a couple of others). It's 100% centralised, by design.
But like @mellifluousbox, I'd love to see the decentralisation of the @matrix network added to your site. Also XMPP and Nostr.
@FediThing I think there is c. 1% of non-Signal Signal traffic but I don't know the details and would be curious to learn more about it.
