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Neil Brown
Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

I wish that more FOSS / ethically licensed projects would be more forthright about asking for donations of help *outside tech stuff*.

There are plenty of people who value FOSS who have skills to contribute, be it legal, accounting, comms, marketing, graphic design, project management, and loads of other things, and plenty of projects which could benefit from some volunteering time in those areas.

Finding a match can be difficult, so seeing people asking for help is excellent.

#FOSS #volunteering #ProBono

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Sven Slootweg, low-spoons mode ("still kinky and horny anyway")
Sven Slootweg, low-spoons mode ("still kinky and horny anyway")
@joepie91@fedi.slightly.tech replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@neil As a FOSS developer/jack-of-all-trades, I've always gotten stuck at the question of "where do I even ask". FOSS spaces are overwhelmingly developers, and I don't know of any obvious other places (or even hashtags!) to ask.

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Neil Brown
Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@joepie91 Yes, exactly this. I'd love to see more obvious spaces / hashtags, or even just individual projects documenting their needs/wishes somewhere on their websites.

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Sven Slootweg, low-spoons mode ("still kinky and horny anyway")
Sven Slootweg, low-spoons mode ("still kinky and horny anyway")
@joepie91@fedi.slightly.tech replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@neil Especially the former in my case. "Asking for help on your own website" only really works if you already have an audience, which especially smaller projects often don't 😅

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Neil Brown
Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@joepie91

Yes, and even if it is on their website, I'd still have to think to go there to check.

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JuTaRo :emacs: ☕
JuTaRo :emacs: ☕
@jtr@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 20 hours ago

@neil hi, I'm a trained technical writer (not anymore, but used to) and I totally agree.

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IanTwenty
IanTwenty
@IanTwenty@floss.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 21 hours ago

@neil if any designers are following this thread the Open Source Design community have a jobs page to help find open source projects that need help, both paid and unpaid:

https://opensourcedesign.net/jobs/

@opensourcedesign

Jobs - Jobs

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Chip Butty
Chip Butty
@otfrom@functional.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 21 hours ago

@neil most of my contributions to other people's projects are correcting typos or fixing broken links.

I'd love a movement of more (wiki) gnomes

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Pete Johanson
Pete Johanson
@petejohanson@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@neil for sure. I'd love help figuring out the trademark stuff for #zmk. I looked ages ago, and lacking a formal entity, I'd have to register anything in my own name, which I'd like not to do, for the benefit of the project. Threw up my hands after that and it's still not resolved.

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Jack Yan (甄爵恩)
Jack Yan (甄爵恩)
@jackyan@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@petejohanson I believe that’s right though @neil will know more. It has to be a legal person owning the trade mark. You could incorporate a company with a team of directors so you then become only a single voice among them.

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AnneH
AnneH
@annehargreaves@ioc.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@jackyan @petejohanson @neil A partnership? If in UK
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/trade-marks-manual/new-applications

Manual of trade marks practice - New applications - Guidance - GOV.UK

GOV.UK

Section last updated: January 2021.
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Neil Brown
Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@annehargreaves @jackyan @petejohanson

From the perspective of English law:

A limited liability partnership can own property, including a trade mark, but then one has the admin associated with a legal person.

A traditional partnership cannot own property, so in practice one ends up giving the list of all the partners. And, if there is only one person involved, there can be no partnership!

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HighlandLawyer
HighlandLawyer
@HighlandLawyer@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 20 hours ago

@neil @annehargreaves @jackyan @petejohanson
Scottish partnerships are legal persons which can own property though- s4(2) Partnership Act 1890
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/53-54/39/section/4

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Pete Johanson
Pete Johanson
@petejohanson@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@jackyan @neil are the only options really "personally owned" and "create a whole corp"? Nothing in between to simplify things?

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Neil Brown
Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@petejohanson @jackyan

One could look at things like the Commons Conservancy (https://commonsconservancy.org/), which exist to tackle exactly this kind of issue.

But there are cons as well as pros, since neither you, nor a company that you control, owns the trade mark, which could be key to your brand.

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Pete Johanson
Pete Johanson
@petejohanson@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@neil @jackyan that could be the route to go. I've no intention of trying to have "ZMK: the company", just want to be sure if the project needs to have legal items such as trademarks covered, it's done so in a way that benefits the community, and can outlast me.

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Scott Jenson
Scott Jenson
@scottjenson@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@neil I do think some type of clearing house could be helpful. But it would only really work if the FOSS projects understood a bit more about what they were asking for. For example many teams want "better icons" when what they really need is UX design help

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Neil Brown
Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@scottjenson Yes, there is a degree of circularity here.

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Scott Jenson
Scott Jenson
@scottjenson@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@neil maybe a FOSS "matchmaking service"?

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mauvedeity
mauvedeity
@mauvedeity@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@neil I fully agree. I would love to contribute to FOSS but I can’t code well enough. But I love documentation, engaging with people, and similar stuff. But all too often is “Code or GTFO”.

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David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
@david_chisnall@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@mauvedeity @neil

I don’t know which projects you’ve been talking to, but I can’t think of a single one I’ve been involved with that isn’t short of documentation people.

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mauvedeity
mauvedeity
@mauvedeity@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 21 hours ago

@david_chisnall @neil talk? I read the contribution guidelines, and they only talk about code. So those are the only contributions you want? Oh, OK.

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Ekaitz Zarraga 👹
Ekaitz Zarraga 👹
@ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@mauvedeity @neil That's the best moment to contribute to free software. You'll learn to code "well enough" thanks to your contributions. Start slowly, with small changes, people will help you find challenges and will mentor you until you are independent.

That's how we keep this thing rolling> we invest on people.

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Neil Brown
Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@ekaitz_zarraga @mauvedeity

To my mind, this just reinforces a notion that "coding" is the contribution that people should be making, rather than bringing their own, valuable, skills to support the project.

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Ekaitz Zarraga 👹
Ekaitz Zarraga 👹
@ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@neil @mauvedeity Well, it was a way of saying that there's nothing like "well enough" if you want to improve on that.

I didn't mean to say anything else is not important. Because it is actually very important.

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Neil Brown
Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@ekaitz_zarraga @mauvedeity Ah, okay - I had read your comment differently! Thanks for the clarification.

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Matt Ellery
Matt Ellery
@matt_ellery@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@neil
I've been thinking recently about offering some time to support FOSS projects with User Research, documentation review, requirements analysis etc. but I hardly ever see any calls for that sort of work. I don't know if it's because it's not needed, or because it's something that's not even considered.

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Emma Irwin
Emma Irwin
@sunnydeveloper@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 23 hours ago

@neil I created https://oss-wishlist.com to do this, although it's currently focused on work funders impact. (https://oss-wishlist.com/catalog), it could expand to any volunteer skillet and already includes pro bono. I do want to see people get paid where possible though (by funders who benefit I mean).
At FOSDEM if anyone wants to chat on this topic.

Open Source Wish List

Service Catalog - Professional Support for Open Source Projects | OSS Wishlist

Browse expert services for open source projects: security audits, governance setup, funding strategy, succession planning, and more. Connect with verified practitioners.
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Neil Brown
Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 23 hours ago

@sunnydeveloper Oh, amazing!

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Emma Irwin
Emma Irwin
@sunnydeveloper@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 23 hours ago

@neil thankyou! my goal is to have 200 project wishes by end of FOSDEM so I can then go after funds and match practiiones (all an experiment, but hopeful it can help bridge).

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Nick Kerker :coffefied:
Nick Kerker :coffefied:
@thekerker@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@neil Hang on, Neil, while I angrily and violently misinterpret this toot.

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Neil Brown
Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@thekerker

Start with the most unlikely, least generous, interpretation, and then complain about the role of volunteering in FOSS.

While using the very software in question.

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Neil Brown
Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

For example, @postmarketOS is looking for people who are

> versed or have an interest in accounting and financial matters, and would like to help us improve anything related to our financial processes or reporting

https://postmarketos.org/blog/2025/12/19/contributor-compensantion-and-financial-update/

Perhaps this sounds like you?!

postmarketOS

Getting sustainable work done in postmarketOS thanks to your donations

Aiming for a 10 year life-cycle for smartphones
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Tom
Tom
@tom@social.huginn.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 24 hours ago

@neil @postmarketOS Sounds like something I might be able to assist with!

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Neil Brown
Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@Codeberg is looking for volunteer support on a whole range of things:

* Bookkeeping, finances, taxes
* IT and company law (I offered but, being in the UK, I am of little use, sadly)
* Public relations
* Fundraising

https://join.codeberg.org/

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A2 Engineering Services
A2 Engineering Services
@a2es@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 20 hours ago

@neil @Codeberg I enjoy being a Codeberg member and contributing with my membership fee.

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n0toose
n0toose
@n0toose@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 20 hours ago

@neil @Codeberg Please do ping me or send us an email if you're looking to help :)

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Phil B at Green Pike Ltd
Phil B at Green Pike Ltd
@greenpike@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@neil ...the current one on my mind (posted about this before, so I probably sound like a broken record) is a simple way to replace CATO. So clearly needs accounting experts.

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Neil Brown
Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@greenpike I don't know what CATO is, I'm afraid :(

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Phil B at Green Pike Ltd
Phil B at Green Pike Ltd
@greenpike@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@neil Ah yes! Bad assumptions on my part.
CATO = company accounts and tax online. Allows smaller companies to file directly to both HMRC and Companies House. Except it's being withdrawn soon... with nearly all options being paid-for cloud services.

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Neil Brown
Neil Brown
@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@greenpike Ah, yes, with a lack of FOSS options :(

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