@firefoxwebdevs @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zzt you could save us all a lot of time by stating in the original post a list of *very* common responses to Firefox AI initiatives which are "never going to be actioned"
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@fasterandworse @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zzt Did you seriously believe that unshipping a largely well-regarded feature like translations was on the table for Firefox 148?
@firefoxwebdevs @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zzt the missing option which you are responding to is "Missing option, if shouldn't be in the browser code in the first place. It should be an add-on that the user has to explicitly install"
I've been following your responses because (correct me if I'm wrong) you have not addressed any of the "make them all add-ons" responses.
It has been repeated ad nauseam with good reason considering the opt-in/consent issue with AI features
@fasterandworse @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zzt
Given the poll was about translations, the option you wanted would amount to unshipping a largely well-regarded feature.
Again, did you seriously and honestly believe that was on the table for Firefox 148?
@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social @fasterandworse@hci.social @heptapodEnthusiast@mathstodon.xyz @nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafe @davidgerard@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to you have unshipped plenty of well-regarded Firefox features and associated products. I still miss Lockwise, despite the fact that every bug i filed with it (some of which prevented me from using it outright, on several devices) was marked not-planned.
so, yes, i think it's reasonable to expect Firefox to un-ship features like this.
so, yes, i think it's reasonable to expect Firefox to un-ship features like this.
@linear @davidgerard @fasterandworse @zzt @nuintari @heptapodEnthusiast @firefoxwebdevs the graveyard of abandoned/"unshipped" Mozilla/Firefox products is nearly as big as Google's. So the "we can't unship things"-take is really revisionist, bordering on unhinged.
@gedankenstuecke @linear @fasterandworse @zzt @nuintari @heptapodEnthusiast @firefoxwebdevs i get the impression everyone else in this thread knows much more about firefox's history than Jake
@gedankenstuecke @linear @fasterandworse @zzt @nuintari @heptapodEnthusiast @firefoxwebdevs
in any case, the AI in Firefox is clearly immutable. Check the first two positions on the jobs page:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/careers/listings/?team=Firefox
* Director of Product Management, Generative AI
* Staff UX Designer, AI Investment
they're also introducing "your new companion" (it's Copilot but Firefox):
https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/introducing-kit-your-new-companion-through-the-web/146463
the fix is in and this thread exists to try to get people to object less to this very stupid idea that the users don't want.
jake seems literally not to understand the objections (c.f. upton sinclair). so he keeps trying new prompts to see if UpsetUsersGPT gives a different answer. he must be prompting us wrong, you see.
@firefoxwebdevs @fasterandworse @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zzt Honestly, why not? You've done it before. Pocket, classic browser extensions, Chatzilla, a usable address bar, the option to switch back to a usable address bar, plugins, ... all "unshipped" and that's just off the top of my head.
@firefoxwebdevs @fasterandworse @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @zzt your response again fails to address the many "make them all add-ons" responses.
