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@Federation_Bot  路  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

1. Taking Stephen Miller at his word today, US (or any aggressive power) openly takes over any country they can, regardless of treaties

2. Other countries can either submit to will of people like Miller, or resist

3. Aggressors never attack even small countries that have nuclear weapons (such as North Korea)

4. Other countries notice this pattern, and start getting their own nukes

5. Aggressors refrain from attacking countries that now have nukes

6. Posession of nuclear weapons becomes definition of independent country

7. Likelihood of accidental nuclear escalation very greatly increases 馃槥

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Joshua Barretto
Joshua Barretto
@jsbarretto@social.coop replied  路  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@FediThing On the flip side, greater proliferation of nuclear weapons and attenuated opportunity cost of resisting US economic power might help foster economic and political independence and coalitions of mutual respect between nations

That said, I don't think the desire to acquire nukes will continue much longer. People are seeing how little nuclear weapons have helped Russia maintain any red lines in Ukraine. They're not the geopolitical hammer once imagined.

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FediThing :progress_pride:
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@FediThing@social.chinwag.org replied  路  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@jsbarretto

I don't think the risk of the apocalypse is worth any kind of benefits from nukes.

No doubt the 20th century would have been a lot more bloody and grim without nukes, the cold war might have become a non-nuclear third world war. But it wouldn't have threatened to destroy the planet.

"People are seeing how little nuclear weapons have helped Russia maintain any red lines in Ukraine."

It seems unlikely that Russia would have invaded Ukraine if Ukraine possessed nukes, or at least that is the lesson a lot of people are taking from the invasion.

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Joshua Barretto
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@jsbarretto@social.coop replied  路  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@FediThing > It seems unlikely that Russia would have invaded Ukraine if Ukraine possessed nukes

I don't think that's true. Finland also doesn't possess nukes and has similar border disputes with Russia. It's NATO that's the big disincentive. Turns out that mutual defence unions work!

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Joshua Barretto
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@jsbarretto@social.coop replied  路  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@FediThing I enjoyed @pluralistic's recent 39c3's talk that discusses some surprising silver linings that might come of Trump's cultural war on the world.

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