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Jay ๐Ÿ†˜
Jay ๐Ÿ†˜
@jsit@social.coop  ยท  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

Are there any versions of Monaco that add bold and italic and were designed by a type designer rather than run through an "auto-variants" tool? #typography #macOS

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Jay ๐Ÿ†˜
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@jsit@social.coop replied  ยท  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

A small bright moment for today, for me at least โ€” a bit of Apple history.

I emailed the designers of the vector version of Monaco (Charles Bigelow and Kris Holmes; Susan Kare having designed the bitmap version), asking about a full family, and this is what I got back.

#typography #macOS

Thanks for your message. We are glad you like Monaco.
We like it too, and once hoped Apple would release a
full 4-style family of Monaco, and the same for New York
and Geneva. After those faces were launched with System
7 in 1991, we urged Apple to have us design the
companion styles to make them full families, but Apple
never did.
Those faces have huge x-heights, around 54.5% of the
body size, and some users preferred Geneva to Helvetica
because it looked bigger on screen. This was a
consequence of Susan Kare's constructing the fonts
directly on the screen and making the x-heights taller
than what standard printing types would have if mapped
directly to screen. Back then, Apple wasn't crediting
Susan Kare as the designer of the original bitmaps, so her
name was left out. Subsequently, we always try to credit
Susan Kare for her original work on the bitmaps
We wrote an article about the design of those fonts and
you can find it online.
Try the url below.
Sincerely, the Lucida Font store
Thanks for your message. We are glad you like Monaco. We like it too, and once hoped Apple would release a full 4-style family of Monaco, and the same for New York and Geneva. After those faces were launched with System 7 in 1991, we urged Apple to have us design the companion styles to make them full families, but Apple never did. Those faces have huge x-heights, around 54.5% of the body size, and some users preferred Geneva to Helvetica because it looked bigger on screen. This was a consequence of Susan Kare's constructing the fonts directly on the screen and making the x-heights taller than what standard printing types would have if mapped directly to screen. Back then, Apple wasn't crediting Susan Kare as the designer of the original bitmaps, so her name was left out. Subsequently, we always try to credit Susan Kare for her original work on the bitmaps We wrote an article about the design of those fonts and you can find it online. Try the url below. Sincerely, the Lucida Font store
Thanks for your message. We are glad you like Monaco. We like it too, and once hoped Apple would release a full 4-style family of Monaco, and the same for New York and Geneva. After those faces were launched with System 7 in 1991, we urged Apple to have us design the companion styles to make them full families, but Apple never did. Those faces have huge x-heights, around 54.5% of the body size, and some users preferred Geneva to Helvetica because it looked bigger on screen. This was a consequence of Susan Kare's constructing the fonts directly on the screen and making the x-heights taller than what standard printing types would have if mapped directly to screen. Back then, Apple wasn't crediting Susan Kare as the designer of the original bitmaps, so her name was left out. Subsequently, we always try to credit Susan Kare for her original work on the bitmaps We wrote an article about the design of those fonts and you can find it online. Try the url below. Sincerely, the Lucida Font store
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epoillac
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@epoillac@todon.eu replied  ยท  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@jsit There's also Monego, which however I cannot talk about in depth cause it's just something I stumbled across whilst searching for fonts and remembered.

https://github.com/cseelus/monego

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Jay ๐Ÿ†˜
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@jsit@social.coop replied  ยท  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@epoillac Thanks -- yeah I saw this too, and it was part of my motivation to ask for a human-created font, rather than one created by an algorithm, since the bold on this one has some issues.

Kind of hard to believe nobody has made a "Monaco Pro" with four variants!

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