Since htmx was mentioned a few times...
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@algernon afaik you need js to even load wasm
and if you want to do dom manipulation, you need to go through js (see: wasm-bindgen)
in the past I've also been suggested https://egui.rs (for a project I never went through with, so I have no experience with it)
however it's important to note that egui.rs completely forgoes all html and instead everything is rendered in a <canvas>, so in terms of accessibility there is absolutely none.
@algernon tbh, I do also have a rather intense dislike for js as well, however usually I'll just grit my teeth and write typescript.
if this is a smaller app then I'd recommend doing the same, but if this is a much larger application then it may be worthwhile going the rust route.
another option that exists however if you don't want to use js but can't find anything with rust is kotlin/js (kotlin which gets compiled/transpiled to js code). I do not particularly like kotlin/js (even though I like kotlin (however it has been quite some time since I last tried it)), but it's an option that I thought I'd mention
@algernon axum and htmx if you can accept running the htmx js part.
@algernon I'm sure someone will mention Dioxus shortly but this one was more niche and had an interesting name so enjoy https://rust-on-nails.com/
For added bonus, it would be lovely if I could write my CSS in Rust too.
Some of the suggetions & my own findings so far:
- Yew is what I know, it was nice.
- Leptos I heard about, didn't look into it much.
- Rust-on-Nails sounded funny, but
AGENTS.mdmeans it's not an option. - Dixous looks nice, batteries included and all. But it has TailwindCSS integration by default (I do not want anything to do with Tailwind), if the widgets it includes by default depend on Tailwind, then it doesn't really have anything over Leptos or Yew as far as I'm concerned.
I have no desire to touch JS, so using something like htmx is not an option. I want to write everything in Rust. I don't care if that's not the most performant, or most ergonomic thing. I do not want to touch JS for this project. A tiiiiny amount of gluecode, maybe, but...I was able to do completely JS-free with Yew, a couple of years ago. I should be able to do the same now, too.
@algernon huh, I thought "I don't want to touch JS at all" was the main selling point of htmx (haven't used it myself yet)
Since htmx was mentioned a few times...
Mind you, I can't figure out how or when claude contributed. But I did find a few PRs reviewed by CoPilot. That's enough of an indicator that I want nothing to do with htmx if I can help it.
Now, I will use crates and tools and whatnot that I'd prefer not to, if I have no other option.
Like, serde doesn't have an alternative. Yes, there's facet, with GenAI taint. Hurray.
But if I do have a choice, I will never chose the GenAI infested option.
@algernon if wasm is okay then you could write frontend as a usual desktop app and use some UI crate, like bevy ui, or egui, or anything else and just have it running in the browser and sending requests to backend
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>AGENTS.md means it's not an option.
this is how i feel about facet, it's a lot better than serde but was sludge coded by claude code so i can't use it
i wish serde was too so i was picking the lesser of two evils but oh well