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tante
tante
@tante@tldr.nettime.org  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

RE: https://mastodon.social/@sarahjamielewis/115730052589989499

It is super expensive but it really seems to be time to think about how to create and fund an entity that can fork Firefox while Mozilla does some weird AI pie in the sky shit.

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Angela Scholder
Angela Scholder
@AngelaScholder@mastodon.energy replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante This just means that Firefox is absolutely definitely down the drain.

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huntingdon
huntingdon
@huntingdon@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante

Mozilla's new MBA/CEO, who knows nothing about the open source field, and its board aren't trying to grow the company into just another shitty AI thing, it's trying to bury the promise of a non-enshittified browser and Internet.

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soc
soc
@soc@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante For Firefox to survive, Mozilla has to die.

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Limey_Tank
Limey_Tank
@Limey_tank@mastodon.ie replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante @catsalad one long thought the EU should fund and maintain software suite.
OS, office, browser.

Then I look at some other government projects and the bubble bursts …

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JakeKb
JakeKb
@JakeKb@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante Can the ladybird people hurry up a bit please?

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caitp
caitp
@caitp@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante super easy, barely an inconvenience: find a white guy that does the libertarian, <probably-but-hard-to-confirm white supremacy and xenophobia and misogyny and etc while claiming to be a victim when called out for it> thing that the VCs love, and they'll fund his stupid project to the moon

or maybe we take a radically different approach and build something simpler, less advertiser-y, maybe something named after a small rodent who like to burrow holes and dig tunnels

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your auntifa liza 🇵🇷  🦛 🦦
your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦
@blogdiva@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante count me in as part of the communications team.

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Patrick $8 :verified:
Patrick $8 :verified:
@phurd@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante landlord CEO 💀

previously at Roofstock, a platform for real estate investors focused on the single family rental market
previously at Roofstock, a platform for real estate investors focused on the single family rental market
previously at Roofstock, a platform for real estate investors focused on the single family rental market
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Jesse
Jesse
@jessta@aus.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante Funding has always been the problem and it's what has caused Mozilla to burn user trust for decades. They employ 750 people and have a $200 million wages bill.

They're trapped being funded by their main competitor and always flailing around trying to find an alternative source of funding.

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Knightmare
Knightmare
@LanceJZ@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante there is Waterfox, I hope they remove that 'AI' nonsense.

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Lily Star
Lily Star
@starlily@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante @Vivaldi is right there...

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The Turtle
The Turtle
@the_turtle@mastodon.sdf.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante as a start, everybody disable automatic updates to Firefox. It CAN be done with a few simple lines of JSON. I got tired of their "better idea" updates nobody ever asked for breaking everything all the time. And some updates people loudly said they didn't want.

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Alerta! Alerta!
Alerta! Alerta!
@heiglandreas@phpc.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante AI is the new "Cyber". Everyone uses it, everyone wants it, Everyone has it and no one actually knows what it means....

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sebbe://
sebbe://
@royalrex@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante consider supporting the Servo project. A long term strategic bet on a new FOSS browser engine. Started as a project at Mozilla. https://servo.org/

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Dopes The Frogman
Dopes The Frogman
@macacator@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante yay, another techbro on his knees ready to take the full load of AI directly to the face.

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USB Type-Steve :verified:
USB Type-Steve :verified:
@USBTypeSteve@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante Forks already exist that remove the crap - LibreWolf is one. There's a few others as well.

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mag37
mag37
@mag37@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante
Yeah I completely agree. Yesterday I spent some time looking at the current popular forks (especially on mobile) and there's good options - just the inevitable "4 out of 5 will probably slowly die".
Would be nice with a serious player.

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Tim Panton
Tim Panton
@steely_glint@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante I had a fascinating chat with @Patricia a while ago about what it would cost to fork and maintain a viable browser. I don't remember the numbers but is was less than $60M per year I think. Easily within the budget of the EU or any national govt that values digital sovereignty. Also achievable by subscription I think.

https://distributedfutu.re/episode68.html for the podcast (and transcript)

Distributed Future - a podcast

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yetzt
yetzt
@yetzt@social.yetzt.me replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@tante librewolf is a good start. it's a fork that purges all ai stuff. a bit agressive on the fingerprinting hardening though.

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