Kaja Kallas:
Countries want to be in NATO because they don't want Russia to invade them, to attack them. And that's why Sweden and Finland joined NATO. That's why the Baltic states joined NATO, to have this defense umbrella, really.

Now, if this is not in question [for Ukraine], or this is out of the question, then we need to see what are the security guarantees that are tangible. They can't be papers or promises.
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