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I agree with the storyteller: the experience of having a slave is abhorrent, simulated or not, and this story is a window into something •deep• about the present moment. Even without having slaves, we are all in danger of having a •slaver mindset•. It’s a disease that’s running rampant now in billionaire-shaped techno-utopian circles.

I wrote this thread on the topic earlier:

https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/113295613785073188

…and even having written that, it’s still shocking — not surprising, exactly, but shocking — to hear those thoughts expressed so baldly by the colleague in the story above.

Paul Cantrell

@inthehands@hachyderm.io · 3 months ago

❝I said that I *absolutely in no way* want a slave, or a technology that simulates one. I want to do creative work using good tools. I *don't want* the experience of a slaver; in fact, I would go very far to never have that experience, because it is a demeaning and antihuman experience.❞

Paul Cantrell

@inthehands@hachyderm.io · 3 months ago

❝He was completely unable to understand why. He kept arguing that since the LLM isn't an actual conscious person (which is correct), it ought to be treated like a slave, and that the arc of technology is to give everyone access to their own virtual slaves.❞

Jared White (ResistanceNet ✊)

@jaredwhite@indieweb.social · 3 months ago

@inthehands Hey I'm not here to kink-shame, but that dude really needs to keep that particular fetish to himself within professional settings. 🤪

Paul Cantrell

@inthehands@hachyderm.io · 3 months ago

❝It was *impossible* for me or anyone else present to get him to understand that *we don't want slaves, simulated or otherwise*.

I've thought about that a lot in the days since.❞

Paul Cantrell

@inthehands@hachyderm.io · 3 months ago

I wrote this thread on the topic earlier:

https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/113295613785073188

…and even having written that, it’s still shocking — not surprising, exactly, but shocking — to hear those thoughts expressed so baldly by the colleague in the story above.

happyborg

@happyborg@fosstodon.org · 3 months ago

@inthehands I fully agree and wonder if he has a problem with capital and its hoarders who treat everyone like slaves, including him. One day he'll almost certainly experience that for real.

I read someone I've followed for years who is also all in describe how he sees his team of #LLMs as Autistic savants and my respect for him plummeted again.

emenel

@emenel@post.lurk.org · 3 months ago

@inthehands Norbert Wiener wrote in 1948, in the book that defined Cybernetics:

"Let us remember that the automatic machine is the precise economic equivalent of slave labor. Any labor which competes with slave labor must accept the economic consequences of slave labor.”

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