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Paul Cantrell
Paul Cantrell
@inthehands@hachyderm.io  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

Fascinating story from a software dev Fedi friend, shared with permission to keep it anonymous:

❝A couple of days ago, I had an experience at work that made me understand one of the reasons why the chasm of opinion about LLMs is so deep and wide.

My department mostly does fiddly lowlevel work, [close to hardware]. A few of us don't use LLMs at all, a few use them sparingly, and one member is absolutely all-in. So during one of our morning meetings he suddenly started going off on a deeply disturbing diatribe about how we need to treat the LLMs “like slaves”.❞

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Paul Cantrell
Paul Cantrell
@inthehands@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

❝I said that I *absolutely in no way* want a slave, or a technology that simulates one. I want to do creative work using good tools. I *don't want* the experience of a slaver; in fact, I would go very far to never have that experience, because it is a demeaning and antihuman experience.❞

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Paul Cantrell
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@inthehands@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

❝He was completely unable to understand why. He kept arguing that since the LLM isn't an actual conscious person (which is correct), it ought to be treated like a slave, and that the arc of technology is to give everyone access to their own virtual slaves.❞

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Jared White (ResistanceNet ✊)
Jared White (ResistanceNet ✊)
@jaredwhite@indieweb.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

@inthehands Hey I'm not here to kink-shame, but that dude really needs to keep that particular fetish to himself within professional settings. 🤪

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Paul Cantrell
Paul Cantrell
@inthehands@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

❝It was *impossible* for me or anyone else present to get him to understand that *we don't want slaves, simulated or otherwise*.

I've thought about that a lot in the days since.❞

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Paul Cantrell
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@inthehands@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

I agree with the storyteller: the experience of having a slave is abhorrent, simulated or not, and this story is a window into something •deep• about the present moment. Even without having slaves, we are all in danger of having a •slaver mindset•. It’s a disease that’s running rampant now in billionaire-shaped techno-utopian circles.

I wrote this thread on the topic earlier:

https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/113295613785073188

…and even having written that, it’s still shocking — not surprising, exactly, but shocking — to hear those thoughts expressed so baldly by the colleague in the story above.

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happyborg
happyborg
@happyborg@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

@inthehands I fully agree and wonder if he has a problem with capital and its hoarders who treat everyone like slaves, including him. One day he'll almost certainly experience that for real.

I read someone I've followed for years who is also all in describe how he sees his team of #LLMs as Autistic savants and my respect for him plummeted again.

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emenel
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@emenel@post.lurk.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

@inthehands Norbert Wiener wrote in 1948, in the book that defined Cybernetics:

"Let us remember that the automatic machine is the precise economic equivalent of slave labor. Any labor which competes with slave labor must accept the economic consequences of slave labor.”

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