Found elsenet. And now, with my memories of home taping off the radio using a cassette recorder and a microphone, I feel *ancient*:
Found elsenet. And now, with my memories of home taping off the radio using a cassette recorder and a microphone, I feel *ancient*:
@cstross We also ripped CDs. With our bare hands.
@cstross
This has so be satire. Even if you didn't know what burning cds means it's just one search...
@cstross Recording mix tapes on cassettes by pressing Play+Record in the 90s.
Burning CDs was a huge improvement years later requiring a costly CD writing drive.
@cstross "serious question" citation needed
@cstross hell yes it works, I met my husband like that. You should try it, but it's very important to do it in a well ventilated room or outside away from neighbours.
But we didn't have texts in those days. Most people had pigeons, but if you lived close enough you could pay the paper child to deliver a note for you.
Younger guy at a previous job started telling me about mixtapes. I am in my sixties. I just smiled and encouraged him to tell me more.
@cstross At four score and more...I used to make crystal sets to listen to Radio Luxemburg-
@cstross you're just a kid: I used an open reel tape deck.
@crankyoldbugger I couldn't afford one. (They were still a thing, though.)
@cstross u and me both
@cstross kids these days
@cstross You mean back when "taping it" actually involved tape? Yeah, I remember.
@cstross We are now officially so old, that we are the "Ancients" in modern cult mythology.
@cstross surprisingly, the answer is...yes?
Laser beams or whatever is used in there counts as "fire" of sorts right?
@cstross Using a microphone and a cassette to tape a program off BBC radio to run in your microcomputer, correct?
@cstross We still do suck burns. 100% evergreen. Or evargreen.
@cstross Also, there’s something about enjoying a thing more if it took work to create. Those mix tapes were fun. In college, a huge music collector friend in the dorms made two of us a mix tape that we used to teach aerobics in the free class at the campus cafe. I still miss that mix tape.
@TracyTThomas Storm Constantine once made me a mixtape and I swear I spent the next two decades hunting down and listening to every band on it. (It got me into EBM and industrial music, for starters.) This was in 1990 …
@cstross @TracyTThomas Do you still have the track list? I'm curious about what was on it.
@cstross For my last date I made a mixtape on cassette... and yes, it was in 2025 🤷♂️
@cstross You are ancient I used to do that.
@cstross I still remember using a cassette tape player to load games into my TI 99/4a computer
@cstross burning cds does sound more badass than “made you a tape”, Looking back at genx.
And then before that it was the vinyl crowd… and that just sounds so naughty
@cstross I was recording radio and tv audio on a reel to reel tape recorder in the early 70s
@cstross
Wow… yeah why on earth are so many “young folk” clueless and not even curious enough to look up what these things mean?😹
However… I’m perfectly fine with this description of what they *think* it might mean 😹… it’s rather amusing 😹🧙♀️
@cstross These younger generations will never learn the art of hitting the “stop record” button just before the DJ comes back on.
@cstross Growing up we had a stereo we got for cheap from a local thrift shop that we discovered could record radio to tape internally. So this led to a small number of tapes recording mid to late 90's Chicago radio. Basically all Q101 and ROCK103.5.
I think we managed to exclude commercials by the careful pushing of buttons a few times.
@cstross while we recorded, we had to sharpen our stone arrowheads silently.
@cstross Pah! Get off my lawn == > 1, $ s/cds/cassette tapes/g
@cstross that doesn't have anything to do with age.
This person knows what CDs are but has probably never thought about how stuff gets written on to them.
I am sure there are many people that think that CDs can only be bought already burned.
@cstross
I am quite glad that some of the yoof are scared of our old tech fogey skillz (extra z added to show I am down with da kids)
@cstross Ooh! In the '90's I had a whole system with a computer, a cassette recorder, my FM stereo amp, and a serial port->X10 interface that would automagically record a radio show on Saturday afternoons, when I was usually out. Worked like a champ as long as I remembered to set it up on Friday.
Proud of my Geek Heritage.
@cstross The good old days when the first few seconds of every song were missing because you had to quickly jump to the radio and press record. 😂
@cstross No, we didn’t burn them with fire. We used frickin’ LASER beams!
Though, really I’m the mixtape generation, CDs came a few years later.
@cstross the actual funny thing is how almost nobody in the comments realises this is clearly a joke 😆
CDs were those new fangled things.
I also used to record cassettes direct from the radio. AM. Such quality.
@cstross When I was in the Army (mid to late 70's), my sister would record my favorite radio station and mail me cassettes. Those things were my lifeline... they kept me tethered to home and kept me from feeling homesick.
@cstross I was always disdainful of people who used microphones instead of connecting directly to the line-outs. I mean... quality, people...
@cstross @sufferforme
Not even a headphone output? That would have worked...
( #WhoRemembers: single earphones, in that weird pink color...)
@sufferforme [gasps!] @cstross
The first cassette recorder I ever had access to was an Ampex portable tape/radio, 1971. We are not the same.
(It was mono, and the recording-level adjustment was a switch for "low" and "high". "High" made everything all distorty. Perhaps we are not so different after all... 🧐)
@cstross you know how in the movie Demolition Man they misinterpret everything in their archeological dig from before the civilization collapse? We're 100% on track for doing that it seems... 😆
@cstross Wait until she learns about burning ROMs too! It's the witchcraft that brings pinball and video game software up to date!
@cstross -- This is why birth rates are so low today. Nobody knows how to put together a proper mixtape to hand over as that essential next-to-last step in the mating ritual.
@cstross
Millennials burned CDs and Gen X did, too. But they didn't start the fire. [rim shot] I think Boomers invented the process in the 1980s, possibly late 1970s.
There was a lot of burning going on in those days and even earlier. Burning looks, burning sarcasm, burning questions, burning bridges. Humanity is obsessed with fire. I guess you could say it's a burning desire.
@cstross Since I mostly did this when I was a bit high..."Why, Yes Chloe -- it did involve fire!"
YES WE WORSHIPPED SATAN AND DANCED ABOUT THE FIRE SACRIFICING CHRISTIANS TO THE PAGAN GODS.
YOU WERE SIRED FROM SUCH PRACTICES
@cstross old enough to have gotten a mix tape from a girlfriend as a gift
@cstross I remember copying games for ZX Spectrum using 2 cassette players... good o'l times. I also remember trying to create a phone network with a friend by pluging soldered wires to the phone into the Spectrum... could hear the noise but absolutely no results lol
@cstross I'm honestly starting to get real tired of these rage baits because a) You can't be this dumb and b) surely, they know how to search the internet?
@cstross I for one was not burning, I commanded Nero to burn a Rom for me
@cstross
Why are people so ignorant that they can't look it up? A simple web search for "burning CDs" would reveal it all. Even stupid AI could get THAT info.
@cstross Did the same thing, and recording game soundtracks by holding the headphone against the mic on the cassette recorder
@cstross I used an open reel tape deck and patch cords, but I feel your pain. <image included for those who don't understand>
@cstross You took the "tape" for covering the joins between sheets of gypsum, and somehow applied music to it?
@cstross Every time I read things like this, I wonder whether people really stop educating themselves, reading or simply taking an interest in the world and history after they finish school!
@luboganev Uh, no: in my case, a 1970s mono cassette recorder with built-in condenser mic, held up to the speaker of a 1960s transistor radio.
@cstross @luboganev We would put several gatefold LP sleeves round the mic trying to shield outside noise.
I recorded a Can performance on the BBC that way. Problem was, the radio was in the family room, with Dixon of Dock Green on the TV. As Can's music finished quietly, it was mixed with the nee-naw of a cop car coming for the wrong'uns on the TV.
Years later I got a Can cd bootleg. To my ears something was missing without the nee-naw.
@cstross pfft cassette… I used a grundig open real tape machine (I’m not that old I was a strange child)
@cstross Millenials and older gens should stop answering every dumb question they see on the internet
@cstross Can't be real, but funny anyway.
@cstross our local radio station franchise (now a Heart) used to use the tagline "we don't talk all over your favourite songs" and it was *absolutely* aimed at the "press record as soon as the DJ stops talking" market (plus it meant they could leave it on a playlist when they didn't have enough DJs)
@cstross ah, such fond memories of tape recording Top of the Pops tracks from the live radio broadcast, and listening very intently for the technician starting the fade so you could press stop before the presenter's voice came in.
@cstross you remember when radio didn't suck? Wow.
I recently introduced concept, purpose and practice of compiling mixtapes to a twenty-something coworker.
Judging by his expression, I might as well have been explaining medieval siege craft and how to build a trebuchet. 😂
@cstross Wait until she hears we used Nero for burning CDs
@cstross
Some people in the 1930s had 78rpm recording turntables and radio. They are probably all dead now.
@cstross Burning a CD was a light weight ritual, all you need for that is some concentrated heat.
Have you fed the tape? How many tapes did you feed? How many were eaten? How many lives crumbled because of that?
@makdaam Today we honour the memory of home taping killing music by cooking and eating tagliatelle in silence.
@cstross I grew up in New Zealand and was born in 2001 I remember both making my own cassette tapes and burning CDs from the age of six till I was about 11 and got an mp3 player. When I was 6 or 7 my parents used to pirate movies by renting them on DVD then dubbing them onto VHS (with an ancient VCR because macrovision). we only got internet in the house after the second time the local shopping centre called the cops on me because I used to sit there for hours using the free Wi-Fi when I was 12
@cstross so that post somehow makes me feel old as well despite the fact that I'm only 24. It also says a lot about how weird technological adoption was in New Zealand and in my household in particular
@xs4me2 It's either epic trolling, or a teenager. Hard to be sure.
Bear in mind that a 15-year-old today was born in 2010, ten years old in 2020. The CD-R probably came out when her parents were teenagers. How well do you remember your parents' media?
(My brother still owns my mum's collection of shellac 78's of 1920s and 1930s jazz. I wonder if he's got them digitized yet?)
With all the knowledge in the world just a keyboard click away, how can you not know? That is my basic question… basically its the main thing I use the internet for… I remember the library being far away in the rural area where I grew up… so I consider that the greatest human invention since the printing press.
Naivety or irony, not sure what this is… but with AI that will provide precooked algorithmic answers it will not necessarily become better I presume…
@xs4me2 I don't know because I don't know what was in the two crates of disks he took away, he lives 300km from here and is a non-techie, there's no direct train route there (I can't drive any more), and we're not on close speaking terms this decade.
Still have a lot of records and cd’s here but use mostly digital media nowadays, the end of an era I guess…
I was commenting on the knowledge available on the internet, that means not knowing about anything, technology, history or whatever topic is a matter of not being able to think critically basically. Caused by education or maybe personal choice…
I will never understand that. As someone involved in R&D I live by asking why, how ad in what context every single day.
@cstross a polish colleague of mine told me about recording computer games off the radio. Warbling modem like sounds for half an hour, onto a C30 then into your commode 64, brilliant. I never heard of that in this country.
@cstross As a museum guide, I explain people how our gramophone worked. I never met such dumb people. Even the youngest have enough imagination to understand it.
We should just let them go on thinking it was a ritual.
If you wanted a guy to fancy you? You HAD to burn him a mix. The way that turned out could tell you everything.
That's how I found my husband.
@futurebird Wife and I did most of our courting on the internet ... in 1992-93, before the web. A couple of years ago I unearthed a DC6150 mag tape with an arhive of our emails to each other!
(We had our second—and permanent—meet cute in the technotribal enclosure at the Glastonbury Festival in '93 and got incredibly stoned together watching Tetsuo 2: Body Hammer in one of the film tents.)
@cstross Ditto. I was sorting through a box of old stuff my mother kept and found a cassette tape I made for her of Elvis Costello’s Watching the Detectives taken off the radio. Yup, with a shitty little mic.
@cstross The kids' trolling game is on point. No notes.
@cstross I used to make my own podcasts before those were a thing!
I had a script that recorded radio programmes by capturing the output of the sound card while playing the RealAudio™ streams at the right time.
Those .wav were then turned into .mp3's, which I uploaded to my mp3 player. I could carry up to 64Mb (not Gb) of radio programmes in my pocket and listen to them at any time!
Incredible stuff.
@cstross One of my first programming exercises was to print/plot audio cassette case inlays using a SHARP PC-1500 programmable calculator and its four-colour ballpoint ink plotter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_PC-1500
@mschomm Oooh! My first useful computer (I don't count the ZX-81 it replaced) was a Casio FX-702p, basically similar to your Sharp but with an alphabetic (rather than QWERTY) keyboard. Couldn't afford the cassette interface or plotter, though.
I still have it. AND the manual.
@cstross @mschomm The part of me that is into #retrotech is very, very tiny… but that part of me is drooling right now.
@cstross I had a FX-602P before this - and a TI-58C before that. Couldn't afford the much cooler TI-59 at that time but loved its magnetic card/stripe reader.
@koehntopp @mschomm Here it is, and the 45 year old Casio FX-702p still works!
@cstross @koehntopp @mschomm ...and still more useful than ChatGPT.
@cstross
I think I do remember seeing this model at that time, maybe a friend from school had one (almost everyone in our physics class had a programmable calculator, with very little overlap on models). For myself I directly went from the 'upright' FX-602P to the QWERTY design of the PC-1500.
@koehntopp
@cstross [LLM training voice:] And from time to time the Burners get together for a big CD bonfire in the dessert 
@cstross nero was burning rom when I was younger. 😅
@cstross still remember giving my crush a Knoppix livecd by accident
@cstross Before that, we’d put tapes in our cauldrons. You know, to mix them.
@whybird @cstross Sad side note is that that generation cannot wrap their mind around the concepts of: 1) fetching media 2) keeping their own copy.
There is no "home right-clicking/save as-ing" or "home USBing" to replace the home-taping and home burning of yore.
(one can thank DRM and DMCA-like law around the world for that).
@cstross we are ancient gods on the internet 