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Taggart
@mttaggart@infosec.exchange  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

Mozilla's new strategy document makes it clear: it's an AI company, and the organization you trusted to protect the open web is dead.

https://taggart-tech.com/mozilla-cycle-pt3/

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The Nexus of Privacy
@thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart great post!

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Christoffer S.
@nopatience@swecyb.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart Allowing Mozilla to die ... is also allowing for Google to hammer in the last nail in the coffin for an open source web engine.

It's so incredibly sad and means we're now left with two engines, both ruled by two really big tech companies.

I wonder what it would take to do for browsers what Kagi did for search if at all possible.

PS: Great article by the way!

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Kagi HQ
@kagihq@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@nopatience We're trying, with Orion! https://kagi.com/orion/

Orion Browser by Kagi

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Paolo Amoroso
@amoroso@oldbytes.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@kagihq Very interesting. But a company that does business with Brave is a deal breaker and AI features are a red flag.

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Christoffer S.
@nopatience@swecyb.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@kagihq Continue to try... because ... this is the way.

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Christoffer S.
@nopatience@swecyb.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@kagihq PS: Please, when time and resources permit, get a Linux version out.

I fully realize it's not a priority given that Windows and macOS dominate the OS "market", but please note that there is at least from my corner as a ultimate family plan subscriber a wish for a Linux browser 🙂

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Taggart
@mttaggart@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@nopatience Thank you! You know, I could imagine a paid-for browser that supports Servo development.

If Vivaldi ever explored such a model, I'd pay without hesitation.

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Christoffer S.
@nopatience@swecyb.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart You and me both. I've kept an eye on Servo and would love to see something like that as well.

I find it strange that none have attempted it (as far as I know)...

I pay for search, I pay for multiple open source projects, and I would be MORE than happy to pay for a browser with incentives aligned with my own.

So yes, 100%.

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Stefan
@kranzkrone@quasselkopf.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart
I never trusted Mozilla.

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AmorphPanda
@AmorphPanda@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart Sometimes I secretly hope that an AGI with an urge to survive will be the best shot we have left 😔

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Count Holdem
@CountHoldem@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart Just drop your children off at the #Broligarchy bank.

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Sei
@sei@steppylegs.monster replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart is Ladybird our only hope now?

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john r red-horse
@jrredho@mastodon.world replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart

I think the only person I trust to protect the open web is Tim Berners-Lee. And his sway has long ago been compromised.

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skedarwarrior
@skedarwarrior@techhub.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart If only mozilla devs abandoned that platform and helped palemoon instead...

or ladybird. or both preferably...

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bcrouse2025
@bcrouse2025@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart I have used Mozilla Firefox with Linux looks like you are right. AI and Intellectual Property seem to be the biggest bone of contention

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bstow
@bstow@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart If anyone needs me, I'll be installing Netscape Navigator on my Windows 2000 virtual box.

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@jik@federate.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart *sigh*
OK, so, fine, but which fucking browser am I supposed to use if it's (obviously) not Chrome and probably soon not going to be Firefox either.

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Taggart
@mttaggart@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@jik Whatever one you want. Use Firefox if you want to, up until you can't. Don't put so much moral weight on tool choice.

Except Brave. Don't use that one.

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Jonathan Kamens 86 47
@jik@federate.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart yeah my point is that at some point Firefox is no longer going to be viable

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Taggart
@mttaggart@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@jik I use Vivaldi very happily. Comes with a full-fat built-in adblocker.

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purple_cloud
@purple_cloud@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart @jik Why not brave ?

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Baharul Islam
@mortal_engine@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@purple_cloud @mttaggart @jik

Chromium engine.

Wair for the Ladybird Browser

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Emilio ʕ̡̢̡ʘ̅͟͜͡ʘ̲̅ʔ̢̡̢
@Minimac@mastodon.world replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart lmaoooo

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@hrbrmstr@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@mttaggart (one of us never trusted them to do that :-)

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Tod Beardsley
@todb@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@hrbrmstr @mttaggart yeah that ship sailed... a while ago. See @jwz 's post:

https://www.jwz.org/blog/2024/06/mozillas-original-sin/

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Taggart
@mttaggart@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@hrbrmstr 🏆

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Taggart
@mttaggart@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@AAKL I don't really understand the question. I'm not a Board. I'd vote against this strategic plan, but I also would like to think I'd have voted against the Faustian bargain with Google lo those many year ago. But I can't control the delusions of others.

It's also important to remember that when the choice is between bending principles and laying off your people, it's not always clear where your duties lie.

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Taggart
@mttaggart@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@AAKL This is the fate of all non-profits with a failing funding stream. Survival will force a bend in the founding principles

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