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Matt Blaze
@mattblaze@federate.social  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

Trump just pardoned Rudy Giuliani and a host of others who weren't actually convicted of or facing charges for any federal crimes. Probably just performative, but it does makes me wonder what crimes he knows they committed that haven't come to light yet.

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Bodling
@Bodling@deacon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@mattblaze Maybe they had read the Epstein files, and this is to buy their silence

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Al
@mral@mastodon.sdf.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@mattblaze
Doesn't accepting a pardon mean that you are admitting your guilt but now there are no consequences.

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Matt Blaze
@mattblaze@federate.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@mral This is a remarkably complex question! First, there’s really no concept of merely “accepting” a pardon. What you do is “assert” it if you’re actually charged or convicted of something covered by the pardon. And the consequences of doing that depend on exactly what you’re asserting it for.

So you managed to come up with roughly the most “it depends” question possible here.

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Al
@mral@mastodon.sdf.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@mattblaze
Thanks, I've heard that for most thing legal the answer is "it depends" :-)

and lately it also seems to depend on who is asking and are they up to date on bribes; err, I mean their "support of the democratic process".. :-(

Thanks for all you work on informing us, we need more voices like yours.

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Keen Grasp
@keengrasp@layer8.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@mattblaze Robin Hood: "Did you hear that, Johnny? We've just been pardoned!"
Little John: "That's a gas! We ain't even been arrested yet!"

except like the complete opposite of that

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Stewart
@willie1foot@theblower.au replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@mattblaze Can someone be preemptively pardoned of unknown crimes?

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Matt Blaze
@mattblaze@federate.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@willie1foot Yes, for past (not future) crimes.

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Stewart
@willie1foot@theblower.au replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@mattblaze That is just bizarre.

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Oblomov
@oblomov@sociale.network replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@mattblaze can you have to an anticipatory pardon

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Matt Blaze
@mattblaze@federate.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@oblomov Yes, for past (not future) crimes. E.g., Carter's pardon of draft evaders.

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dibi58
@dibi58@this.mouse.rocks replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@mattblaze

the us is officially a criminocracy ...

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BlueDot🇺🇦
@BlueDot@left-tusk.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

RE: https://left-tusk.com/@BlueDot/115441322963812895

@mattblaze

Every Trump #pardon is another reason to bring in the #InternationalCriminalCourt in the next administration. Because his pardons are meaningless at the Hague.

#Reconstruction #AfterFascism

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💀🎃👽mast0d0nphan😈🕸️🦇
@mast0d0nphan@sakurajima.moe replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@mattblaze It is performative. They were charged with state crimes, so Trump's pardon does nothing except ensure that he has those "pardon" recipients in his pocket when he refuses to leave office and tries to further fuck with the midterm and 2028 elections.

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