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Roni Rolle Laukkarinen
@rolle@mementomori.social  ·  activity timestamp 17 hours ago

I may have exposed myself to scrutiny by officials even posting about this, but did you know why Finnish Mastodon admins can't mention donations? Welcome to Finland’s rahankeräyslaki (Fundraising Act) - a law so problematic it's been submitted to UN human rights reviews and noted in OECD reports on Finland's civic space. Finnish people often say Finland is "Sääntö-Suomi" (Finland of Rules) because we have too many rules and laws. Most of them are there to protect us, but some work against us. It can go too far.

Here's the problem: The law defines "fundraising" as any appeal to the public to give money. "Appeal" means any verbal, written or other request or invitation. This includes simply stating "we accept donations" with any payment information or bank account number on your website.

The Electronic Frontier Finland (Effi) case shows how absurd this gets. Effi, a digital rights nonprofit, was prosecuted for rahankeräysrikos (fundraising crime) just for having text on their website saying they could accept donations per their bylaws, along with bank account details. No active solicitation. No manipulation. Just information. They fought this for years through multiple courts.

There are two pathways, neither simple for a solo admin. You can either: (1) register a nonprofit organization (constitution, board members, PRH registration at 50 €, annual financial statements, bookkeeping, tax filings), then apply for a full fundraising permit from the National Police Board, OR (2) find at least 2 other people to form a group and file a "pienkeräys" (small collection) notification with local police for collections under 10 000 € lasting max 3 months. Solo admin running a server? You can't legally ask for donations alone - you need bureaucracy or co-signers just to mention server costs.

The law was updated in 2020 to add "small collection" notifications (max 10 000 €), but the core problem remains: you cannot simply mention donation options without navigating this bureaucracy. The law treats someone running a community server the same as the Red Cross running nationwide campaigns.

This is why many Finnish admins stay silent about funding and run things for free out of their own pocket. It's not that they're secretive - it's that Finland's fundraising law hasn't caught up with how the modern internet works. Effi has submitted complaints to UN human rights reviews calling this a violation of freedom of association.

So when you see a Finnish-run instance and wonder why there's no donation info: now you know. It's not always impossible, but it's complicated enough that many choose silence over bureaucracy.

Obviously, I hate this law, and putting this information out there is risky for me. So let me be crystal clear: please don't donate us money. I don't encourage it at all as I am not allowed by law to do so, and I'm a law-abiding citizen, after all.

EDIT: A commenter correctly pointed out that you don't necessarily need a registered organization - you can also use the "pienkeräys" system with at least 3 people. I've updated the post to reflect this. The core issue remains: even casual donation mentions require navigating legal processes that most countries don't have.

#MastoAdmin #Finland #Donations

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Ossi Herrala
@oherrala@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 hours ago

@rolle However, it's completely legal to share costs between friends. Just a hint :)

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Antonio J. Delgado
@adelgado@social.koti.site replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@rolle I started with others an association in Tampere. It's a pain in the ass and we needed a few fix memberships just to stay alive because the bank is 300€/y just for an account to receive money (the cheapest). Now you put me in alert about donations, we try to count with memberships better than rely on will and donations. Maybe that's a better option for hosting, but I also take care of a bunch of service without SLAs :)

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(╯°□°)╯︵ ɐʞʞı̣ǝʞsɹǝd
@raketti@mastodontti.fi replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@rolle there is, however a loophole in the legislation regarding this.

As a private person to another, I am able to give a monetary present. As long as its under 5 000 € and doesn't cumulate over that amount in three years. (This will be increased to 7 500 €).

It's not for me to decide how you use the money I have given to you, for example as a birthday present. 🙂

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Tommi Nieminen
@tomminieminen@mastodontti.fi replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@rolle Okay, what follows isn’t meant to be completely serious, but sometimes I’ve wondered…

As *commercial* transactions (buying and selling stuff) are still legal, maybe NPOs could sell good vibes and offer prayers for people's souls instead?

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Jonne Arjoranta
@jonne@mastodontti.fi replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@rolle Part of your post is untrue: you do not need a registered association to apply for a fundraising permit. Mastodontti.fi has been funded by donations for several years now by organising a fundraising at the end of the year.

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Janne
@janvenetor@mastodontti.fi replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@jonne @rolle yup, you can inform the police as a (group of) private person, 10k eur and 3 month limit, no permit required.

https://www.suomi.fi/palvelut/pienkeraysilmoitus-poliisi/10891731-7ffa-4e79-b73f-39c49373c9f9

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djan’ghost 👻
@django@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

@rolle what if it were a "Local only" or "Followers only" post, so not public on the wide internet, would that be allowed?

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Roni Rolle Laukkarinen
@rolle@mementomori.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@django So what you are basically asking: "If you do something illegal and most people don’t find out, is it legal?"

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Nicole Parsons
@Npars01@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@rolle

The Finnish are lucky.

Democracy after democracy in the EU is at risk from the illicit flow of money from Russia & the Heritage Foundation to fund fascist movements.
https://www.desmog.com/2025/03/14/heritage-foundation-project-2025-allies-mcc-ordo-iuris-discuss-dismantling-the-eu-european-union/

In the USA, billionaires bought an election for a tax-evading felon and so corrupted the Supreme Court it made bribery & public corruption legal.

Billionaires are able to buy the end of people's civil rights.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-oil-industry-donations

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/27/supreme-court-bribes-gratuities-snyder-kavanaugh

https://www.propublica.org/article/dark-money-leonard-leo-barre-seid

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Common Dreams

Trump to Big Oil Execs: Give Me $1 Billion and I'll Help You Wreck the Planet | Common Dreams

"You won't read a more important story today," said one commentator. "Trump is willing to literally destroy the planet for $1 billion."
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Nicole Parsons
@Npars01@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

2/

In Canada, so much American & Russian money flowed to the covidiot convoys when they blockaded the Ambassador Bridge, they triggered billions in economic losses.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/convoy-economics-1.6653986

Fossil fuel money is buying an AI & crypto stock market crash because American billionaires bought off regulators.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffkauflin/2025/11/03/trumps-gutting-of-the-consumer-financial-protection-bureau-is-leaving-the-public-vulnerable-to-abuses/

PS. Mastodon deserves financial support from its users. Please support the ones in Finland.

Forbes

How Trump’s Hatchet Man Is Destroying Consumer Protections

Russell Vought’s dismantling of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is putting the public at risk in areas ranging from auto loans and digital payments to credit cards and credit reports.
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varx/social
@varx@cybersecurity.theater replied  ·  activity timestamp 14 hours ago

@rolle Does it also cause problems when the other party initiates? I'm curious about these scenarios:

- 😱 "I'd like to send you money." A: "OK, here's how."
- 😱 "Do you accept donations?" A: "Sure! Account number: #"

(where the latter explicitly frames it as a donation)

Anyway, that sucks.

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Roni Rolle Laukkarinen
@rolle@mementomori.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@varx Yes, that is illegal as well. Even if someone WANTS to donate. See my followup:

https://mementomori.social/@rolle/115521571254805332

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Orca 🌻 | 🎀 | 🪁 | 🏴🏳️‍⚧️
@Orca@nya.one replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@rolle@mementomori.social
Wait. Does that mean Finns can't even post mutual aid posts (like "I'm starving please help me survive my kofi is xxx") because that may be treated as fundraising attempts?

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ananas
@ananas@scicomm.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 hours ago

@Orca @rolle That is pretty much the exact kind of action that the law is actually meant to prevent in the first place (though pre-Internet-age versions of that), so yes.

But that law is pretty damaging to Finnish open-source scene as well. Putting up a donation link for an open-source project is straight up illegal unless you provide some value in return for the "donation".

That makes liberapay pretty much illegal in Finland. (Ko-Fi and buymeacoffee etc. can be used to give some almost-never-updated blog access or something)

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Fox Ritch :fjoxicon:🇩🇪
@fox@social.hostnetwork.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@rolle I was about to complain that this is a very long post but like, can't yall just host a server in a different country and/or only accept donations via crypto? Seems to me like a pretty easy bypass.

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Roni Rolle Laukkarinen
@rolle@mementomori.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 17 hours ago

Let's be real, tech is tech and money is money. I'm privileged, a middle-class-ish nerd who can - for now - cover the costs. It's annoying, but not life or death for me.

But here's what keeps me up at night about this law: Someone diagnosed with cancer who needs expensive medication not covered by Kela (Finland's social insurance)? They can't legally ask for help publicly. A family whose house burned down and insurance won't cover everything? Can't post a fundraising appeal. A student who can't afford life-saving treatment? Legally prohibited from asking strangers for help, even if those strangers want to give.

The same law that stops me from asking donations also prevents desperate people in genuine crisis from reaching out to the public for help. They can only ask friends and family privately, assuming they have enough friends and family with means to help.

In most countries, GoFundMe and similar platforms exist precisely for these situations. In Finland, using them for personal emergencies is legally questionable at best, and outright illegal at worst.

So yeah, my Mastodon server situation is a trivial inconvenience. But this law doesn't just affect nerds running hobby servers. It affects people in genuine crisis who could be saved by crowdfunding - but can't legally ask. That's what makes this law not just outdated, but genuinely cruel.

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Antonio J. Delgado
@adelgado@social.koti.site replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 hours ago

@rolle that made me think about tips in the USA and my approach to charity. Charity cover for what a government/society doesn't cover. But if a charity cover, why would gov/society do it? Similar with tipping in the USA, if you don't pay the tip they don't have enough money, but should be the employer that should pay well in first case, but don't have to because tips cover for the employer

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Michael
@michael@mstdn.thms.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@rolle Are you allowed to reply when asked? As in a user asking you ‘hey, I’d love to give you 10 quid, how best to do that?’ Can you answer? Or would you have to decline?

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Roni Rolle Laukkarinen
@rolle@mementomori.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@michael If it's happening in public, you need to decline unless you have a permit. Not all scenarios have been tested in court yet, but most likely you'd lose if you accepted money.

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Michael
@michael@mstdn.thms.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 hours ago

@rolle Wow that’s crazy!

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GoatsLive
@GoatsLive@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@rolle What a dumb rule!

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Permik
@permik@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@rolle If we try to formulate some rime and reason into this current framework I'd guess the original rahankeräyslaki was made when there was a perfectly fine assumption that society would keep good care of you without you having a need to resort to beg for donations. Also there probably was an assumption of money having much more purchasing power than what it is now. Essentially the law was made to keep beggars off the streets. Nowadays both of these assumptions have crumbled over the years.

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Permik
@permik@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 15 hours ago

@rolle Don't hate the game, hate the players that have broken and eroded the rules, and broken the inner framework and assumptions that the game was built upon. :D

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Tor Lillqvist
@tml@mementomori.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@rolle This is why I feel bad for occasionally attaching videos to my toots. Once they have had the chance to be seen by my followers, I try to remember to delete them. But I don't do that for photos, and their size also adds up over time.

I wish there was a way to make individual toots auto-delete after a time.

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Manna N
@manna@ihan.outo.la replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@rolle I think I just saw a fundraiser with the permit done by individual person so perhaps the association rule is not that strict? Or then the person had an association to borrow.

Well, I recommend auctions! Like sell a Donald Duck number 3 from 1996 for 10€ or a very pretty stone. Better with digital stuff if you hate posting. This I think can be done to cover costs and not be an issue as long as your income stays under 5k/y.

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Nicd
@nicd@masto.ahlcode.fi replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@manna @rolle Perhaps it was a pienkeräys: requires 3 people, has a 10 k€ limit, and has limits on duration and how often you can have one. Or they have an association.

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Paija2021
@Paija2021@toot.lv replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@rolle Let's say you show your account number and say "please do not even think about donations" "DO NOT DONATE" and Finnish people understand you correctly and donate.
If you then receive donations, even if you clearly discouraged anyone from donation, are you still liable?

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Osma Suominen
@osma@sigmoid.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@Paija2021
Nobody knows for sure, as it hasn't been tested in court. The Effi case is relatively recent and shows that just providing information about donations can break the law. But yeah, I've seen wording like yours in use, even on a Finnish Mastodon instance.

Accepting donations isn't illegal in Finland. (For large sums you may have to pay taxes or there could be other consequences)

@rolle

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Roni Rolle Laukkarinen
@rolle@mementomori.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 16 hours ago

@Paija2021 Nobody knows until it's tested in court. It could be illegal just because you show your account number which indicates the intent.

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