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dch :flantifa: :flan_hacker:
@dch@bsd.network  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

The agonising choice of *NIX users without #OpenZFS who have to decide on their disk partition layout. I do not miss that stress.

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ivy
@lw@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dch i mean, not really an issue if you have an LVM, which most OSs do nowadays (except FreeBSD, since we killed gvinum…)

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dch :flantifa: :flan_hacker:
@dch@bsd.network replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@lw very true but since I discovered extensive bitrot in 2013 and lost some sentimental data, I stick to checksummed filesystems. The data has diligently been backed up with the rot included.

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@lw@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dch there's no reason you can't do checksums and self-repair on top of an LVM or something like gmirror, you just need a way to ask the lower layer to read the other copy of the data. i don't know if that's the best approach, but it's certainly feasible.

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@lw@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dch i do wish ZFS hadn't basically killed storage development on FreeBSD - ZFS is great, i use it almost everywhere, but it would be nice to have a proper BSD-licensed storage stack.

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Michael Dexter
@dexter@bsd.network replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@lw @dch Kirk has been adding features to UFS, some sponsored.

What else would you like to see?

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@tln@bsd.network replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dexter

As someone who used to run a lot of OpenBSD but recently migrated half of my homelab to FreeBSD due to ZFS, am I missing something with UFS/FFS? I run a NAS and backup server, nothing production level. Thanks.

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@lw@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dexter

UFS is missing modern features like clones, checksums and subvolumes. what i'd like is something comparable to the basic feature set of modern filesystems like ZFS, btrfs or ReFS -- it doesn't need to implement all of ZFS, just the most used features. whether the solution is improved UFS with an LVM, or something like HAMMER, i don't really mind.

(while HAMMER seems interesting, it's been around for almost 20 years and i've not seen any serious effort to port it to FreeBSD; i wonder if there's a reason for that, or if it's just "we have ZFS, we don't need it”.)

@dch

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dch :flantifa: :flan_hacker:
@dch@bsd.network replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@lw maybe hammer2 will pick up part of that mantle in future i recall seeing some support already outside dflybsd

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dch :flantifa: :flan_hacker:
@dch@bsd.network replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@lw yeah there is a lot of cool stuff in geom, from humble gmirror through to ggate and more.

NBDkit is also neat https://gitlab.com/nbdkit/nbdkit and a FreeBSD client too
https://github.com/ryan-moeller/kernel-nbd-client

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@oxyhyxo@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@dch was looking at the free space on a OpenBSD box I setup today and sighed

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Tom
@pertho@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@oxyhyxo @dch Yeah. Not having enough space in /usr killed my upgrade OpenBSD 7.7 -> 7.8 but it's fine since after a reinstall I just restored my backups. Still would have been nice if ZFS +or something like it) was available for OpenBSD

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