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David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
@david_chisnall@infosec.exchange  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

To everyone who says ‘install Linux’ as a solution to Windows problems (or ‘install LibreOffice’ as a solution to MS Office problems), imagine how you would react if you posted about Linux problems and all of the responses were ‘install Haiku’. Would it work? Maybe, but the person saying it has no idea what you do on Linux, whether the apps that you use run on Haiku (or have alternatives that you could switch to). Neither of you have a clear understanding of how much time and effort the switch would take, or what the network effects are that make switching hard.

If you have actually engaged with them, understood their requirements fully, and have a migration path outlined for them, great. If you’re just being a dick, think about how that makes people perceive Linux users: Maybe that isn’t a great way of driving adoption.

#Linux #Haiku #Windows

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Shaula Evans
@ShaulaEvans@zirk.us replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@david_chisnall Thank you.

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UkeleleEric
@UkeleleEric@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall It also doesn't take into consideration those that might have to remain on Windows (work computer, particular software in use, or whatever).

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Luis Carlos
@luiscarlosgonzalez@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@x0 @david_chisnall Ah, the hole install linux thing eh?

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Jupiter
@avoca@gladtech.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall

One of the best things about the Linux environment is the total lack of slick marketing campaigns which is replaced by user's genuine feelings about the OS.

Give the FOSS community HALF the marketing budget of Microsoft or Google or Apple and the 'message' might be more coherent.

I take your point though, but I suggest 'it's the nature of the beast' with word-of-mouth 'marketing'.

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Alex T Newman
@alextnewman@awesome.garden replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall I feel like I can’t go five minutes without running into rabid Haiku propaganda like this online

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Stumpy The Mutt
@StumpyTheMutt@social.linux.pizza replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall I think "Install Linux" is the computer nerd equivalent to "Git gud" and just about as helpful.

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Rocketman
@slothrop@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall Excellent point.

On here I follow a bunch of techies who seem very knowledgeable and experienced. And somehow it's never them who say "just install Linux".

Instead, it's almost always people who play with technology more than they work with it. (Nothing wrong with playing of course, just don't be a dick about it.)

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daubertla
@daubertla@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall I switched recently from Windows 10 to Linux. I was fortunate enough to have an older computer that I could load things on and play with before doing my main PC. I read how everyone LOVES Mint but I absolutely did not. I tried four or five OS options before settling on Kubuntu, which to me was quite intuitive. Although the idea of "Try Linux" is great, you honestly cannot tell a whole lot until you can customize it and that requires an install. DistroSea.com has a bunch to try and it was helpful to try some. Some you could look at and easily say "NO". The actual install was not that bad once I found all the actual steps but I can honestly say it took a few days to get the first one installed. Once I had all the right steps, they went pretty quick and I could swap one out in about an hour but the first one was incredibly frustrating. I am relatively techy so can imagine the frustration for someone less so. My husband would never be able to do it on his own with the information readily available.
Some Linux apps are available for Windows so people can try them before making the switch. Libre Office and Open Office, many browsers are. Several things on my computer required console installs and many people are not comfortable doing things that way.

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Jack Yan (甄爵恩)
@jackyan@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall I can totally relate. The Mac cult on Twitter was like this.

https://mastodon.social/@jackyan/115466374699893566

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kingmoth
@kingmoth@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall Since most Linux distro can be tried without installation then it might be better to say ‘try linux’ .
Most of peoples who complains about windows will get the ‘install linux’ comment, as windows being the main issue there is not so much to do to correct it.

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Vell
@1_vell@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall all i hear is blah blah linux users suck for being right blah blah blah

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zed
@zed@mstdn.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall 100% agree. Even I, someone with various flavors of Linux on different computers am having a hard time switching to Linux on my main computer (a Mac).

Installing Linux isn’t the hard part, finding suitable alternatives to all my Mac applications is.

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Jessie Kirk • 🏳️‍⚧️ 🇪🇺 • 🇺🇦 🇵🇸
@thejessiekirk@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall "How about you get a Commodore?"

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Mårten Björklund 🇸🇪
@martenbjorklund@mastodon.nu replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall And what is your solution to the “Windows-problems”?

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David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)
@david_chisnall@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@martenbjorklund Understand what people need that keeps them on Windows. Build things that address those problems. Don’t shame people for the fact that your tools don’t solve their problems.

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Mårten Björklund 🇸🇪
@martenbjorklund@mastodon.nu replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall Buys, installs and uses proprietary dogshit, gets mad when someone recommends the way out of it?

Sorry but “install Linux” is affirmed as the correct answer.

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webhat
@webhat@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall cool, I've never heard of Haiku. I'll install it in a VM tomorrow, to see what it is. Thanks for the recommendation

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Ubahn fahn
@x2ero@ieji.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall I use arch, btw

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MOULE
@MOULE@mastodon.moule.world replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall Agreed, I've been noticing a sharp rise in Linux and FOSS evangelists lately.

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rainynight65
@rainynight65@aus.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall every time I search the net for solutions to problems I have with Linux, I realise that the Linux community at large is the greatest blocker to wider Linux adoption.

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Jeff McNeill
@jeffmcneill@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall As a former windows user, and there are many of us, Linux and LibreOffice are viable replacements for their alternatives. Not sure what is wrong with this quite timely information.

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Karl Pettersson
@KarlPettersson@mastodon.nu replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall Varying the distance:
Problems with #ubuntu? Install #alpinelinux.
Problems with Linux? Install #OpenBSD.

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OKD :fedora: :kde: 🚴 📷
@patnat@social.tchncs.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall Never understood why people do this.

It's cult behavior and childish at the same time.

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Sun Microdevil Pte Ltd
@koakuma@uwu.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@david_chisnall "Get a Mac/install Windows, why are you making your life hard?" is my current favorite go to reply atm but maybe I should ask them to install a BSD or Haiku, yes hehehe

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@snowy@suya.place replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago
@koakuma @david_chisnall
> maybe I should ask them to install a BSD or Haiku
the problem with this is that an average linux nerd (with a history of distrohopping) might have already used them before and will have multiple reasons on why it wouldn't work for them
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