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"ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien."
Every person involved in this decision needs to be hit over the head with a copy of Kashmir Hill's "Your Face Belongs to Us" until they come to their senses.
@evacide
That's why they cover their faces, the app could say one of them is an alien! Call the men in black please.
this is ridiculous
@evacide Black box cannot generate probable cause.
Jesus Christos. What worthless pieces of of crap they are.
@evacide ICE agents should have to watch Brazil, then be reminded which role it is they are playing
weekly
@evacide ICE agents should have to watch Brazil, then be reminded which role it is they are playing
weekly
@evacide If they're aliens, shouldn't the get on their spaceship?
@evacide waiting for someone to hack their network and ensure a picture of major conservative leaders' faces appear as needing immediate deportation to... anywhere else.
Apropos of nothing in particular, I'm reminded of the CIA manual for sabotage and instructions for insider threats to cause maximum disruption while receiving minimal blame.
@evacide Once upon a time, a customer wanted to use facial recognition to scan people traveling through a large airport to see if they were in a long list of wanted criminals.
With about an 80% success rate, they expected that they’d have about 10% false positives, who would have to be interviewed, and about 10% false negatives, who would make it through the airport.
However, that’s assuming we did exactly one comparison of a single traveler against one wanted criminal. That’s not what was happening.
Let’s assume they had 1,000 wanted criminals (they had more). For each single traveler, there would be 1,000 comparisons, each of which had an 80% chance of being right, and a 20% chance of being wrong. 20% of 1,000 is 50 failures per person. 25 false positives, so the person needed to be interviewed to be sure they weren’t the criminals that the program claimed they were.
Now feed 1,000 travelers through that system, which would be about an hour’s normal traveler volume. You’re doing 1,000,000 comparisons. That’s bad.
The fact that they’re doing many more comparisons is the explanation for the “birthday paradox”, described at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem. That’s where you have a fifty-fifty chance of two people having the same birthday in a party with 23 people. In that case you were doing 23 * 22 / 2 = 253 comparisons, not as bad as with the airport example.
The number of comparisons is the number of travelers per hour, times the number of criminals.
When the system identified someone’s grandmother as a male member of the Baader-Meinhof gang, the experiment was abruptly ended.
Once they found out what was happening, they asked what would happen if we only had a 2% error rate. The answer was 1,000 * 2% = 20, for about ten false positives per person.
The moral of the story is, if you want facial recognition to work reasonably, you need to arrange to do exactly one comparison, and also have a low error rate.
It’s fine for seeing if my face matches the picture on my passport, but little else.
The 21st century version of "Papieren Bytte"
Is a secretive app developed by a shadowy techbro.
This is NOT the #cyberpunk #dystopia I signed up for.
#mobilefortify
@evacide They know it doesn't make sense. The power of these digital tools is that white supremacist organizations can do what they want and shift liability to the tools. "Oh surely the computer isn't racist".
They want to do white supremacist violence and the tools help them do that and that's functioning as they intend it to.
@evacide that would not hold up in court, but these freaks don't care about courts
@evacide holy shit, no kidding
@evacide I wonder if they realize that US passports contain an electronically readable image of the person, along with their info, and all of it is cryptographically signed by the US government so it can be trusted. But, sure, just use biometrics, which will never include my face since I've never given it to them.
@evacide or laser engrave the full text in a microscopic font size on the guillotine blade…
@evacide there going to get false positives everywhere as lots of US citizens from way back before digitization aren't in their database
Not that they care
@evacide
Then they should have no problem showing everyone the app’s proprietary code to prove how foolproof it is🤷
@evacide This is INSANE. Trusting some random company’s SciFi dystopia AI facial cameras instead of a person’s real birth certificate?? Nuts. Even doing this at all is nuts an a clear violation of the 5th amendment
@evacide
I could understand saying that a machine match would provide reasonable suspicion or even probable cause, but I sincerely doubt the courts will accept that this allows law enforcement to ignore provided evidence to the contrary. Except, of course, that the royalists on the Supreme Court will twist logic into knots to justify letting Trump's goon squad do as they please.
When are you going to actually say what we should do to these fascists?
WE SHOULD SHOOT THEM UNTIL DEAD.
The ONLY good fascist is a DEAD fascist.
@evacide ***dystopia intensifies***
@evacide guilty until proven innocent, and good luck with that second part.
@evacide How useful would it be ? Piece of trash if you ask me
Do not question the app.
The app is all things.
The app defines us.
The app is our salvation.
All praise the perfection of the app.
Nothing comes from within, the app will fill you and complete you.
Trust the app.
The app is your faith.
Yeah, no. Phones and tech aren't drugs at all. Nope.
@evacide good choice, but you'll need something heavier for a response
@evacide So someone developed yet another way for hackers to mess with data, change ppl's status in a database, and target ppl via swatting-by-ice. Why are developers developing that kind of swill?
@evacide Gah. Sometimes you don't have to ask if it is malice or stupidity. It is clearly both.
@evacide more like a brick, but...
@evacide
Mobile Fortify stamping everyone as illegal are they?
@ChrisHolladay All brown people probably
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