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hamish campbell
@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@volkris @info

updated "taught"

It's the mess in our heads, that recreates bad social structures, that create the mess we need to compost.

None, you're right, in the end it's about social control.

Well, with our ongoing rush at #climatechaos and the shift to the hard right it's more about social destruction, thus the post.

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volkris@qoto.org
@volkris@qoto.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@hamishcampbell

Social control? Sounds like you just brought up a completely different topic.

But again, you say it's about being isolated but now it's about social control which is the opposite of isolation... I really think you need to think this thing through more, because it sounds like you're buying into some ideas that people are telling you that contradict each other.

It's pretty incoherent, especially with the individualism versus social dynamic it can't be both ways. And in the real world, it's not.

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hamish campbell
@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@volkris @info

Looked at the post agen, makes sense, yes it's not from the liberal #mainstreaming It's why it's there, we do have to think different.

Am pretty qualified to talk about these issues as in a past life have an MA in politics and socially, ave actively worked in the area of grassroots #openweb tech for 30 yeas.

The point is our isolation is a part of the social control, Maye look at the hashtag #stupidindividualism

umm, let's not turn this into trolling please :)

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@volkris@qoto.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@hamishcampbell

I just don't see how it's coherent.

Isolationism born out of non-isolationism? The one would defeat the other.

And that's not even getting into the assertion of capitalism being isolationist in the first place. It seems like the argument is self-defeating outside of the factual, but to go farther,

Capitalism is born of connection and social environments. Where does the capitol come from? Generally associating with others. Why bother organizing those resources in the first place? To provide value to others. Otherwise there's no value in the capital efforts in the first place.

So it's on two different levels that I find your perspective to be very tenuous. Both in terms of the argument and in terms of the premises that the argument is built on, it seems to fail on both levels.

Engagement with other people is at the heart of what capitalism teaches because transactions with others is both the mechanism and the goal. I don't know what you're talking about to assert otherwise.

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hamish campbell
@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@volkris @info

Maybe look at the wider hashtag story, as I say it's not #mainstreamin "common sense"

Maybe your assumptions are the problem you're pointing at?

The is #KISS history to this, you can find a simplified view of this history on the site, with links to original sources in places.

Hope this path helps.

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hamish campbell
@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@volkris @info

Maybe take a bite out of this event I was at recently https://hamishcampbell.com/the-ir-view-of-how-to-survive-in-a-hostile-world/

As an example of incoherence, " Realism is international relations for adult teenagers who never grew up - still desperate to make their childhood world of heroes, villains, and empires real."

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