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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@rysiek@mstdn.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

Global renewable energy generation surpasses coal for first time
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/oct/07/global-renewable-energy-generation-surpasses-coal-first-time

This is definitely something to celebrate! 🎉

But… please remember, the goal here is not to have ever larger part of our energy generated from renewables.

👉 The goal is to have coal, gas, and other fossil fuel based energy generation to go down in *absolute terms*.

⚠️ And sadly, in a lot of places including EU and US – as the article mentions – fossil fuel based power generation is *still growing*.

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@zabow@mastodon.bida.im replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek ahem

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@zabow@mastodon.bida.im replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek isn't it clear from the graph? global electricity demand has been outpaced by renewable growth year-over-year in 2025

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@Federation_Bot replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@zabow your point?

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@Federation_Bot replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek not to mention the fact that, in the long term, we should try to use LESS power in general, as a society

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@craignicol@glasgow.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek slightly more nuanced take here. Fossil fuel emissions falling in China and India, it's USA and EU that are holding the world back because demand is surging.

Doesn't say how much is due to data centres but the numbers from Ireland are very heavily weighted to those.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2rz08en2po

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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@rysiek@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@craignicol yup, check out the next toot in my thread

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M. Grégoire
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@mpjgregoire@cosocial.ca replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek @craignicol
Is it the case that China's carbon emissions are falling? I'd like that to be true, but the BBC article said they are still building coal power plants. OurWorldInData shows their CO2 emissions still increasing: https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/china

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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@rysiek@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

I know this can be confusing and media are often not doing a great job making it clear.

Say you have 15GW power generation in coal, and 10GW in wind.

And let's say you add 5GW in coal (to a total of 20GW), and 20GW in wind (for a total of 30GW).

You end up with wind energy being 60% of all power generation (great!) – 30GW out of 50GW total available power.

But in absolute terms you *still added* 5GW of coal generation. You are emitting 33% more CO2 than before!

That's not really helping.

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@hruske@mastodon.green replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek Oh, man, oversimplified. I can't know if for illustrative purposes or just not knowing better?

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@mihamarkic@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek Since we are avoiding nuclear and there is no energy storage, that's the reality. 🤷‍♂️

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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@rysiek@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

So if we are adding so much renewable power generation capacity, why are we not shutting down coal and gas powered plants? Why, in fact, are we *adding* more?

A large part of the answer here is – *sigh* – AI. Specifically LLMs.

Most coal-fired power plants will delay retirement to feed AI boom, energy secretary says
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/us-urges-utilities-keep-coal-fired-plants-running-ai-demand-booms-energy-2025-09-25/

AI could keep us dependent on natural gas for decades to come
https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/05/20/1116272/ai-natural-gas-data-centers-energy-power-plants/

Consider this next time you use ChatGPT for something. :blobeyes:

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@paul@notnull.space replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek once we build all these 20GW power stations it'll solve the climate crisis, promise!

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@khinsen@scholar.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek I have seen several historians of technology state that humanity has never decreased its use of any energy source planetwide. There have been geographical shifts, but globally, all energy use has always gone up. Even before AI.

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@alienghic@timeloop.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek

I wonder if there's also some backroom deals between the American oil industry and the American tech industry.

Trump is doing everything in his power to keep the fossil fuel industry alive, and having AI suck up energy helps drive up belief in the long term demand for fossil fuels

It seems like they could easily be some intentional cooperation between the two industries.

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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@rysiek@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

And if you hear anyone claiming – like heavily AI invested¹ Bill Gates has claimed² – that "AI" will help solving the climate crisis, remember this:

We really don't need a supercomputer to tell us what needs to be done. This is not rocket surgery. We need to lower fossil fuel emissions. That's it. And we already know this.

AI "helping" with climate crisis is purely hypothetical at this point. But the harms related to this bubble are already here. In form of coal plants not being retired.

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@jjj@functional.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek I wish I could boost this several more times.

I guess I should file a feature request with Mastodon. 🙃

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@quaithe@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek Speaking of things not being rocket (...), I was just reminded of how I used to have a professor who'd say "this is not rocket science" all the time.

The class was Advanced Quantum Field Theory, incomparably more complex than actual rocket science. 🥲

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@Federation_Bot replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek what's also a very good achievement stated in the article and which goes also toward _replacing_ fossil fuels: renewable addition matches electricity demand increase. Article is not super clear on it, but it's a good development!

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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@rysiek@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

These folks are trying to sell you hopes and dreams while burning the planet. Don't buy it.

¹ https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/billionaire-bill-gates-has-35-of-his-portfolio-invested-in-these-2-artificial-intelligence

² https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/jun/27/ai-bill-gates-climate-targets-datacentres-energy

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Edit: also see @hruske's sub-thread here for a deeper dive into power generation and a bit more hopeful take:
https://mastodon.green/@hruske/115343702196892425

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MinmiTheDino
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@minmi@sfba.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek I think they should put their money where their mouth is cause right now they’re gambling with our carbon budget. So if we’re not decarbonized in, say, 10 years, their AI gamble was a bust. And they should promise to pay for ALL the harm caused. If they’re so confident, shouldn’t be hard to make that promise.

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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
@rysiek@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@minmi we don't need promises about a decade in the future. We need less emissions yesterday.

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@FediThing@social.chinwag.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 months ago

@rysiek

All the "solutions" from billionaires have the common thread of helping billionaires at the expense of everyone else. Why do people keep falling for this?

Remember "trickle down"?

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