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ID cards are bad. Very bad.

1. Once they exist it will become necessary to always carry it. If you don't you must have something to hide, etc.
2. They can't stop people working in the 'black economy' because people currently employing those working for cash don't care.
3. It is another attack on trans and NB people (very unlikely someone would be allowed to have multiple IDs)
4. Massive data loss of personal information is highly likely.
5. Who pays? Why should they?
6. Police state becomes more likely with having your ID inspected whenever a copper wants to harass someone, especially POC.
7. OTHER OPTIONS ALREADY EXIST!

ID cards are a very bad, very dangerous, very expensive, and very risky idea.

ps I'm not a 'Brit'. I'm British, or more specifically English!
#IDcards #PoliceStateUK #BritCard

Marc Etienne

@fnordius@muenchen.social replied · 2 weeks ago

@AlisonW @cstross ID cards already exist for the simple reason that people want proof that the person is who they say they are. The purpose of the card is to say that the issuer vouchsafes for the card holder's identity.

A government ID is like government currency: the mandatory part is that whoever asks for proof of identity is required to ACCEPT it, there should be no requirement to present ONLY it. This is like how a government declares its currency is legal tender.

AlisonW ♿🏳️‍🌈♾️

@AlisonW@fedimon.uk replied · 2 weeks ago

Response from an Anon:

"The problem in the UK is that it won't just be an ID card system, it will be commercialised and abused, the system for registering for a card, paying for it, the validation system, etc will be an endless clusterfuck of the worst incompetence you've ever seen because the stupid fuckwits we have in government and the techbrowannabes we have shitting all over literally everything including water, waste, transport, etc are fucking c***s"

I completely agree. This is a licence to print money for some lucky company (ooh, backhanders to government officials and ministers? Don't mind if I do)

Edzilla

@edzilla@social.edzilla.info replied · 2 weeks ago

@AlisonW
I'm curious, as a Belgian with a mandatory ID card (and French, same situation), it's never felt like such a huge issue.
You can get your gender changed fairly easily and it is reflected on the ID card. and it makes identifying with online government services much easier. (think taxes, unemployment benefits, etc)
It has zero impact on taxes avoidance or anything like that but at least in Belgium it was never meant to so that's ok.

WanWizard 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇳🇱

@wanwizard@mastodon.scot replied · 2 weeks ago

@edzilla @AlisonW I was part of the team that implemented the e-ID in Flanders.

The difference is that Schengen ID cards are just that. The provide an ID in the same way a passport does, and, because they are also a smartcard, they can be used not only for identification but also authentication.

Key is that it sits securely in your own pocket.

The proposed system is a central database with a viewer in the form of a mobile app. The opposite of "in your pocket", it's more like the eVISA system.

WanWizard 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇳🇱

@wanwizard@mastodon.scot replied · 2 weeks ago

@edzilla @AlisonW And as a Belgian citizen, you're probably in the eVISA system (if you have EU settled status for example), and if you do, you know first hand how insecure and crap it is.

Last time I looked an indonesian ID card was linked to my visa, which means the owner of said card can enter the UK on my visa ! I reported it, no response.

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