In light of the fact that Firefox has fully succumbed to AI, there isn't really even a less bad browser anymore, right?
So what do we do now?
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@ajroach42 So, can we recompile without the offending AI parts?
@nihongomaamaa With significant effort and at a reduced pace.
@ajroach42 "fully"? i'm using it every day without "ai" afaik. what am I missing, other than the tab thing which I have turned off?
@fishidwardrobe they are rolling out a "shake to generate ai summary" feature on mobile.
@fishidwardrobe and the press release made it seem like this was indicative of future trends, not an isolated incident.
@ajroach42 oh of that I'm sure. for now.
I'll wait and see if it will be turn-offable.
@ajroach42
Icefox or Vanadium for mobile?
@ajroach42
The more practical idea are:
Some have hope for https://servo.org/ or https://ladybird.org/
I think dumping html5 might be a good idea, google has made building a browser harder than building an operating system.
A silly suggestion emacs with org-mode.
We could also do more native apps and less web apps.
And I'm also becoming really good friends with about:config
@alienghic @ajroach42 The lead Ladybird dev endorses white replacement theory:
https://corteximplant.net/objects/f2d30c92-a64f-4154-940f-99080479f0c8
Sadly we cannot expect anything good from Ladybird (although the original SerenityOS browser still exists, without the problematic lead dev but also without the resources he brought).
@skyfaller @ajroach42
Sigh...
So how's it going servo? I've compiled it. and rust is kind of cool.
I was also thinking more native apps and the web being more about documents again.
I feel like all the multimedia features really upped the complexity of modern web browsers.
@ajroach42 We gotta start over. Our systems for making browsers have failed.
Fork Firefox, or use a new engine like Servo. Either way, the challenge is finding enough resources to make and maintain a secure browser; at least if you mean a browser with similar features to the big three, i.e. an entire cross-platform operating system.
Existing Firefox forks do not have those resources and are not safe.
Something simpler could be secured with less resources, but may have no uptake.
@ajroach42 I switched to Waterfox and I'm pretty happy with it for now but I'm not sure it's sustainable as a long-term strategy to depend on one person stripping all the bad stuff out of Mozilla's releases
@ajroach42 make websites compatible with #netsurf and pray i guess
@ajroach42
I don't have good answers for the web.
I'm learning a bit more about Gemini and Gopher protocols, if only because they've different shortcomings and because the barriers-to-entry for development of them haven't been raised so high it enabled enclosure of browser development by corporate interests (and now the web's norms).
I think there's room for a welcome future of smaller online tools offering a "does one thing, does it well" rather than a web browser as convergence product.
@ajroach42
I just use one of the forks of Firefox that removes the bad stuff. Mozilla sucks and Firefox has had bad stuff in it for years.
I just use one of the forks of Firefox that removes the bad stuff. Mozilla sucks and Firefox has had bad stuff in it for years.
@ajroach42 I use @Waterfox, which gives back some of the things FF broke.
Otherwise, yeah... it's just sort of the end.
@ajroach42 I use Zen, based on FF, but it doesn’t force AI stuff onto me, for now afaict.
@oz @ajroach42 I use LibreWolf for the same reason now, but who knows how long it'll last if Mozilla goes down the tubes...
@ajroach42 every less bad browser I know of fails at the task of being a modern browser in some way or other.
I think perhaps the problem is the modern internet.
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