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Kathy Reid
@KathyReid@aus.social  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

Excellent op-ed by #CSIRO Chair Ming Long AM and Deputy CEO, Professor Elanor Huntington @profElanor on #SovereignAI and the double bind of #data and #AI.

This position - which carries strong weight given the roles Prof Huntington and Ms Long have - as Deputy CEO and Chair respectively of CSIRO - echoes recent calls from like-minded heavyweights such as Dr Alex Antic and Simon Kriss.

What we need now is concerted action, funding, and collaboration across the government, academic and industry sectors to move forward before the level of dependence is intractable.

The current efforts toward Sovereign hashtag#AI in Australia are deeply problematic for a range of reasons.

Business has taken the lead - sensing the market opportunity and profits to be had by developing sovereign models - then selling them back to government and academia.

They're bottle-necked by access to sovereign data for training.

Kangaroo LLM's approach was to to scrape all .au websites - without consent from site owners, using volunteer labour pitched as #OpenSource. Maincode is working on Mathilda - pitched as "Australia's LLM". They're hiring ML and NLP PhDs. They're not transparent about how they're collecting data for Mathilda, but claim to have partnerships with government, and to be working on profit-sharing models for entities that provide data for training. Maincode is bootstrapped by a founder who made their money in online gambling.

Academia sees the problem - but is too cash-strapped and in survivability mode to act unilaterally - and needs to partner with industry and government to have any chance of steering sovereign AI ethically, transparently, sustainably and responsibly.

Government is taking policy advice - or should that be - having policy written for them - by the tech giants who gain the most from Australia NOT having sovereign AI capabilities - such as the Tech Council of Australia which is funded by corporations who now seek to gain a return on the massive up front investment in training foundation models. We've even seen pitches recently to get governments to fund LLM use for every citizen - on the promise of as-yet-not-evidence productivity gains.

Imagine - every Australian citizen providing training data for a foreign-owned corporation - and the government paying for it!

So, what do we need?

Strong regulation. Access to sovereign data that is legal and compensated. Certainty for business on selling access to sovereign models to government. Well-funded AI centres in universities to provide talent pipelines.

And most of all? We need to back ourselves.

(Note: the term "sovereign" is problematic - as Keir Winesmith so well articulated to me - because sovereignty was never ceded - but we don't have a better term, yet) in Australia.

https://www.afr.com/technology/australian-ai-data-competition-risk-20250827-p5mq8s

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Stephen Tierney
@sjtrny@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago
@KathyReid @profElanor Putting aside that the article is painfully written by chatgpt (it's not X - it's Y), I really don't understand the point.

Why isn't there equivalent panic about needing a local equivalent to Office 365 or gsuite? Or any other web service.

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@jimbob@aus.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago

@KathyReid @profElanor if the models were *open* and trainable and runnable on hardware individuals were capable of owning - and if they displayed actual intelligence rather rote machine learning that required this level of training data, data sovereignty would not be an issue.

We're being sold a half-baked commercial subscription service but being told it's the only possible future and we will be left behind if we don't pay. The solution to stand-over tactics like this is not to just form your own gang that operates the same way.

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Kathy Reid
@KathyReid@aus.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 weeks ago
@jimbob Excellent points
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