@j12t @leobard This one euro is not based on a precise calculation, but on the assumption that an instance should not have more than 50,000 participants and that the operators (including marketing and cleaning staff) must be able to make a living for themselves and their families. We are still working on, or rather thinking about, the refinements.
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@j12t I’m paying $9/month for my #DigitalOcean droplet and extra disk space. (One user - me)
But I could scale to many more users without additional costs…
But I could scale to many more users without additional costs…
@j12t that's why I chose @digitalcourage , they are one of the few hosts who charge a regular fee. By paying for fediverse and supporting sustainable business models, it can grow.
@leobard They charge EUR 1/month? That would be in the same ballpark as the Meta and Twitter numbers ...
@j12t @leobard This one euro is not based on a precise calculation, but on the assumption that an instance should not have more than 50,000 participants and that the operators (including marketing and cleaning staff) must be able to make a living for themselves and their families. We are still working on, or rather thinking about, the refinements.
Is the road from #enshittification to sustainable #socialnetworks paved with 1.5$/month we all pay to our mastodon hosts?
@pluralistic , what do you think?
@digitalcourage @leobard this is good reasoning imho. Will try and stay updated on how it evolves.
Mastodon is incredibly wasteful wrt computing resources, but not more so than servers 15 years ago - and it cost about $1/active user/month then to run a much more complicated product.
And there was this a while ago:
https://mas.to/@osma/111160850305698330
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@osma Does that number include all costs including moderation, filing tax returns etc etc and count volunteer hours at market rates?
I can't speak for Jerry's costs, but he did explain what it included. But as you surely know, volunteer hours aren't accounted for at market rates because they don't actually incur costs.
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To make it comparable, I'm attempting to account for volunteer hours at market rates. That would also help us understand what resources we need if we attempted to grow the network by some order(s) of magnitude, as presumably offered volunteer hours will not grow at the same rate.
I think that would depend significantly on approach taken. Sure, if you attempted to do it from a commercial foundation, you'd likely have to pay to employ moderation. Not a given that'd be the case for eg many co-op model services.
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