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Roni Rolle Laukkarinen
@rolle@mementomori.social  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

I thought it didn't matter because it's decentralized, right? 😉

#Bluesky#Decentralized#Decentralization#ATProto#SocialWeb#SocialMedia

Bluesky post: Unfortunately, Bluesky is unavailable in Mississippi right now, due to a new state law that requires age verification for all users.
While intended for child safety, we think this law poses broader challenges & creates significant barriers that limit free speech & harm smaller platforms like ours.
Bluesky post: Unfortunately, Bluesky is unavailable in Mississippi right now, due to a new state law that requires age verification for all users. While intended for child safety, we think this law poses broader challenges & creates significant barriers that limit free speech & harm smaller platforms like ours.
Bluesky post: Unfortunately, Bluesky is unavailable in Mississippi right now, due to a new state law that requires age verification for all users. While intended for child safety, we think this law poses broader challenges & creates significant barriers that limit free speech & harm smaller platforms like ours.
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tom jennings
@tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@rolle

Please allow for a little bit of nuance.... Yes yes yes bsky is centralized, yes we should all hate them. Blah blah.

But the Mississippi law if different than the eg UK one, it puts particular burden on the corp.

Bsky is a corp. Its not decentralized but it's not (yet anyways) enshittified. Yes it might, or even likely. But don't let they distract you from the harm at hand, yes, as it illustrates the exposure of a centralized corporation.

There is actual subtlety here. Its not a goddamn football game. Bsky is, for the moment at least, an ally. We need to act as if they might remain one. Or not, this is a side show....

.... Federated instances in Mississippi are also exposed to liability. It is true there is some temporary or momentary safety in obscurity for smaller instances but THAT IS NOT A SOLUTION. And if MS state law enforcement singles one out they will be harmed, greatly.

Pissing on bsky, here, in this case, is going along with the fascists divide and conquer strategy. DON'T. Make allies with people in the same dilemma. Now is now, if bsky turns into a Meta ok fine, condemn them then.

Doing so in advance just seems deeply childish. In the middle of a fucking war with fascists.

We all need to me more strategic here.

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Total Sonic Media
@TotalSonic@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@rolle - is this still an issue for those using third party Bluesky clients though? My guess is that it isn't, but I have no way to test that
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Marquise de What 🇨🇦
@marquisedewhat@ohai.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@rolle Do some of the implications have to do with Missouri requiring gov’t proof of ID, or having some kind of access to this identifying information? I thought most age verification systems were on a sort of unsupervised honour basis that regularly got ignored. IOW, does Missouri now track identity in their geographical territory?
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HACK13
@hack13@cyberfurz.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@rolle I mean, technically your data if you operate on your own PDS then you do have ownership of your data and it isn't blocked... however, because how AT Protocol works... Bluesky is pretty much the AppView which is what allows you to view your posts. So technically, if you wanted you could stand up your own AppView instance connected to your PDS. It would still let you interact with others on the AT Protocol. Granted, it does create other questions of will they block PDS's from connecting to their official relays if they are hosted in banned region.

#bsky #bluesky #atproto

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Scott P ✅
@saprentice@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@rolle @mastodonmigration

Just curious. How is this implemented? Do the local ISPs block certain domains or is this on the website to not serve to people in these locations?

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🆘Bill Cole 🇺🇦
@grumpybozo@toad.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@saprentice @rolle @mastodonmigration Truly local ISPs barely exist any more in the USA, nearly everyone gets access through one of the major cable TV, legacy POTS, or national mobile phone providers. Those access providers don't block anything which they might get sued for. Also, a lot of domain name resolution these days bypasses access providers so domain-wise blocking would not work.

So this is Bluesky using one of the (imperfect) "Geo-IP" mapping databases to refuse service.

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Beachbum
@Beachbum@mastodon.sdf.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@rolle It’s still Corporate media and not Open source.
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Forbo
@Forbo@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@rollehttps://mastodon.social/@Forbo/115076176265970482
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Progressive Tom
@ProgressiveLurker@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@rolle only mastodont users seem to care bout decentralisation 😆
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Roni Rolle Laukkarinen
@rolle@mementomori.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@ProgressiveLurker That's not true at all. Decentralization is the foundation of many technologies people use daily without thinking about it - email, BitTorrent, DNS, cryptocurrencies... The Fediverse is just one modern example of a much bigger tradition of decentralized internet services.
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Kalvin‌:mesgb:
@kaeseafour@mastodon.kupi.my replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@rolle This is a very centralized decentralized platform.
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Roni Rolle Laukkarinen
@rolle@mementomori.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@kaeseafour They LARP decentralization.
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Servio Pontes Ribeiro
@amirrorlessbag@pixelfed.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago

Isn't your rationale the same used by extreme right groups to spread violence?

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athmane mokraoui [BoF] ⏚ꝃ⌁⁂
@ButterflyOfFire@mstdn.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 4 weeks ago
@rolle Unfortunately, Mastodon isn't available in Mississippi … 🤪 … which Mastodon ?
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