I think the Vibecoding reddit has accidentally stumbled on the best description of vibecoding:
It's "roleplay for guys [it is always guys] who want to feel like hackers without doing the hard part".
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@tante I like how Ted Chiang put it: “Generative A.I. appeals to people who think they can express themselves in a medium without actually working in that medium.”
Here: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-weekend-essay/why-ai-isnt-going-to-make-art
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Associations:
1. Today it felt like I fix stuff someone vibe-deployed. I know, the plagiarism-machine cannot and maybe will never be able to do stuff like that, but people can produce output that superficially looks like machine-generated.
Associations:
1. Today it felt like I fix stuff someone vibe-deployed. I know, the plagiarism-machine cannot and maybe will never be able to do stuff like that, but people can produce output that superficially looks like machine-generated.
2. Do we know for what kind of programs and languages the helpfulness of LLMs is mostly claimed? Is it maybe websites and other graphical output that always needs repetetive, logic-poor, non-complex but syntactically voluminous code?
@tante @briankrebs this person is so close to realizing that he himself is also dead weight
@tante been thinking about something similar for a while. Essentially we've been on this trend for decades of "dumbing down" technology in the sense that you completely lower the learning curve ti be able to use it. For a lot of things, I think it's a good idea. However it does seem like we have almost gotten entitled to it. "Oh, I can make this supercomputer in my pocket edit pictures easily. I should be able to code out videogames with a few sentences!"
I had this mindset when I was 8 lol
@tante
Well they abuse the LLM tool as their personal "AI genie" that is supposed to grant them their daily 3 wishes.
Well they abuse the LLM tool as their personal "AI genie" that is supposed to grant them their daily 3 wishes.
And as we all know these fairy tales with genies, genie wishes take really advanced prompt engineering knowledge to avoid catastrophic disasters that backfire on the person uttering the wishes.
@tante it can make some cool simple shit rather well. a friend of mine had it make a site that fixes non-conforming midi files recently. But every time I have tried to do something useful with it I have had to spend just as much time debugging as anything else.
@tante
What's sort of funny is one comment takes someone to task, and mentions the guy who came up with the phrase. Meanwhile every comment seems to be based on a varying definition of the phrase very different than the original meaning.
I get that this is just how culture works but it's sort of hard to discuss a topic when no one first defines what it means to them.
@tante I always thought programming was fun and easy, and that anyone could do it. Until vibe coding became a thing lol. Not sure why you’d ever want to skip the “hard” stuff, that’s the fun part. Making products is only enjoyable because you built something from nothing and it was useful. I can’t relate to people who only want an end product right now (and I’m a visual learner)!
@tante
You are holding it wrong lol
from the thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/vibecoding/comments/1mu6t8z/whats_the_point_of_vibe_coding_if_i_still_have_to/n9jvma8/
@tante Well, there's hackertyper.com - although now it's got a bunch of shitty links for scummy AI products.
@tante
"I learned the art of fighting . . . without knowing how to fight."
"I learned the art of fighting . . . without knowing how to fight."
@tante honestly, I find it's a great tool. I've been a sysadmin for decades and having something figure out all the right API endpoints and escape payloads correctly for me is a great time saver. It doesn't do anything I can't do, but it's hella faster.
@tante
ai is for lazy hacks. Whether in coding or writing or art... or even in relationships.
in gaming: it's paying someone to play in your steed and watching them.
You think you're pimping, but you're a cuck.
@tante From what I get outside of the dev world, vibecoding and llms are just glorified Translation Memories with added mistakes. Which is a shame because translation memories are much more efficient at what they do (predictive text based on previous translations).
Correct me if Im wrong, i never use chatgpt but it seems thats what it does.
@tante Pre-AI version of this was that there's no point of learning anything, the mankind's knowledge can be searched with Google so you can just enter some search terms and you get the answer.
Except when the network is down and the person trying to do the debugging is not even good for a paper weight.
@tante @kittylyst I can see use cases like „creating a living prototype“ where vibe coding seems to be a good fit — iff everyone understands that this is for demonstration purposes only.
@tante We can call them 'slackers'.
@tante “attitude and air guitar”
@tante this must be satire.
@tante Holy crap, that poster is this >< close to being on to something.
@tante Vibe coding an app and calling yourself a developer is like driving across the city and calling yourself a marathoner.
@tante @briankrebs Its for all those people who think hacking is like in Hollywood - where a minute entering commands into a console screen can hack anything and opens a handy GUI into elevators, cameras and files.
@tante I think from a management perspective the headline is even the more relevant / succinct part of that post…
@tante This whole pretending to be developers, authors, artists, etc. is driving me up the walls. They aren't anything, because they don't do the actual thing.
@tante A comparison that I’m a bit hesitant to make, since it actually involves doing the work yourself, but has some similarities, so I’ll make it anyway: I know how do some plumbing, but if it fails spectacularly there is a high probability that I wouldn’t know how to fix it. So I hire a plumber to do it.
Vibe-plumbers not only wouldn’t know how to seal a joint, they wouldn’t know which joints need sealing. Wait, I’m giving them too much credit. They wouldn’t even know what a joint was.
@tante The reality is they *will* have to do the hard part later (vibe coding is horrible at generating maintainable code and good abstractions; unless that gets magically fixed, those prototypes need extensive rework).
I found a podcast with the Anthropic Claude Code team on that quite "insightful": they saw "less dependency on existing libraries, just generate local specific code" as a *plus* (b/c velocity).
I found a podcast with the Anthropic Claude Code team on that quite "insightful": they saw "less dependency on existing libraries, just generate local specific code" as a *plus* (b/c velocity).
@tante “Wipecoding” until errors occur.
@tante Script-kiddies 2.0
@tante These creeps don't even rollerblade.
@tante "Selling AI is selling the idea, that doing things is worthless."
@tante
It for sure is that, but it's also other things. It's also a useful tool in the hands of a pro and a great tool for learning. It's not just one thing for one type of people.
It for sure is that, but it's also other things. It's also a useful tool in the hands of a pro and a great tool for learning. It's not just one thing for one type of people.
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