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Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

While I'm harping on about Matrix, does anyone know if the GNOME plan to split Fractal into two apps (team chat/ instant messenger) ever went ahead?

https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2018/05/16/banquets-and-barbecues/

GNOME announced in 2022 that they were using Matrix for their official team chat groups;

https://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/2022/06/02/gnome-chat-moves-to-matrix/

So presumably they've put some serious effort into bringing their own Matrix apps to maturity?

#Matrix#GNOME

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Sturmflut
@Sturmflut@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@strypey Interesting, never heard about it. And like most commenters I don't seem to understand why all of this couldn't be UI preferences within a single application.
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Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@Sturmflut
> why all of this couldn't be UI preferences within a single application

I have a feeling that might have been the way they ended up going. Hoping someone from @gnome can fill us in.

I like the idea of separate apps though. I've been operating 2 accounts, using separate apps, one for personal contacts (mainly DMs)_ and one for public interaction (mainly public and team rooms). It's good to have the option to disable one or the other, or both, or neither, depending what I'm doing.

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Cassidy James :gg: :fh:
@cassidy@mastodon.blaede.family replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@strypey @Sturmflut Fractal is a third-party app designed for GNOME, but is not a core GNOME app. You’d need to ask its developers about the specific design decisions. You can check it out on GitLab: https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/fractal

I believe the Fractal contributors' idea to split the designs resulted in Chatty (another third-party app designed for GNOME) handling 1:1 messages over Matrix, but I’m not sure exactly. You can check it out on GitLab: https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/Chatty

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Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@cassidy
> Fractal is a third-party app designed for GNOME, but is not a core GNOME app

Does GNOME have any core apps for instant messaging or team chat?

@Sturmflut

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Cassidy James :gg: :fh:
@cassidy@mastodon.blaede.family replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@strypey @Sturmflut perhaps @tbernard has more up to date information?
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Tobias Bernard
@tbernard@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@cassidy @strypey @Sturmflut IIRC the main reason this never happened is that Matrix doesn't really support it - if you want to cover multiple use cases with different UIs you need separate accounts, and even then the fact that the other side might be using a client with a different feature set is gong to be a problem. You'd need some way for clients to declare what kind of app they are.
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Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago
@tbernard
> the main reason this never happened

That's a shame. I cite your blog post about it often. It's a rare case of a software dev blog post that's both technically and socially insightful, worded in a way that can be read and understood by almost anyone.

> using a client with a different feature set is gong to be a problem

I can see why you'd think so, but I haven't found it to be a problem in practice. You are right that it doesn't really work with 1 account.

@cassidy @Sturmflut

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Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 months ago

Curiously, @element seems to have pivoted their free client towards being more of a BBQ app. Presumably they offer more of a banquet version to enterprise users of their hosted service? Given the licensing of the Element apps, they could do that without publishing source code for it.

#chat#Matrix#Element

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