So the EU is better than Switzerland - amazing news, given the source. 😉
Background on the Swiss surveillance law that's worse than the US: 👉 https://tuta.com/blog/switzerland-surveillance-plan
Thanks @jonah @chillybot for tagging us.
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![= Jonah Aragon
@jonah@neat.computer posted here: https://mastodon.social/@jonah@neat.computer/114902990636685184
Buried in Proton's Al announcement [proton me] today is a pretty
shocking detail about their service:
"Because of legal uncertainty around Swiss government
proposals [www.tdg.ch] to introduce mass surveillance —
proposals that have been outlawed in the EU — Proton is moving
most of its physical infrastructure out of Switzerland. Lumo will
be the first product to move."
Preview of the Proton blo](https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/114/903/276/136/775/181/original/24c0ed5284afa953.png)
@Tutanota @jonah @chillybot
Being pro-privacy, I opened both Tuta & Proton accounts to compare. Like almost all the expert reviews they seem very similar overall (pluses & minus points are not important to me).
The deciding factor came down to Tuta making adverts about 'issues' with Proton, whereas I have never seen anything negative about Tuta from Proton.
The current politics is to gouge the opposition, but I prefer the guys who don't so it.
Being pro-privacy, I opened both Tuta & Proton accounts to compare. Like almost all the expert reviews they seem very similar overall (pluses & minus points are not important to me).
The deciding factor came down to Tuta making adverts about 'issues' with Proton, whereas I have never seen anything negative about Tuta from Proton.
The current politics is to gouge the opposition, but I prefer the guys who don't so it.
@IncHulk @jonah @chillybot Good for you that you didn't see it yet, but it's there. Here, for instance: https://proton.me/mail/proton-mail-vs-tutanota
@Tutanota @jonah @chillybot I had checked their social media and did not see this one or any like it, maybe it is old (or they did not spread it on social media?).
@Tutanota Ich glaube, da ist Euch ein kleiner Fehler unterlaufen:
Die Vorratsdatenspeicherung für IP-Adressen gilt erst ab einer Million Nutzer:innen.
Siehe Art. 21 Abs. 5 E-VÜPF:
(Was natürlich nichts am grundlegenden Problem ändert!)
@martinsteiger Thanks for sharing this.
@Tutanota @jonah @chillybot
People who know Switzerland have often said that it is a false assumption that privacy is more secure there. Too bad for the services like #Quad9 that have made efforts to establish themselves there.
@quad9dns Only the fundamental non-storage of personal data from the outset and the non-storage of logs can help.
People who know Switzerland have often said that it is a false assumption that privacy is more secure there. Too bad for the services like #Quad9 that have made efforts to establish themselves there.
@quad9dns Only the fundamental non-storage of personal data from the outset and the non-storage of logs can help.
@Tutanota
Gute Entscheidung.
Ein Teil der Proton Drive Daten liegen ja auch schon in Frankreich.
@Tutanota @jonah @chillybot
So, Swiss government is becoming anti-privacy respected government. What a shame.
@Tutanota @jonah @chillybot If they can truly offer privacy respecting Gen AI that would be great tbh but how possible it is I really don't know. I will be cautiously optimistic.
@Tutanota @jonah @chillybot so it seems that Proton is doing the right thing here unless I am misunderstanding?
@Tutanota @jonah @chillybot
So along with their CEO's somewhat bizarre takes on US fascism, it seems their Swiss pedigree for privacy is out if the window 🙄🤦♂️
@Tutanota @jonah @chillybot It's weird that Swiss is going to kill off the only niche they were so great at so far. For what? To drive everyone away so their mass surveilance law becomes pointless when no one will want to run business from Switzerland...
Proton's move aligns with their ethos. As a EU resident, our GDPR protections actually mean something. When choosing privacy tools, infrastructure location matters more than people realize - jurisdiction trumps encryption.
@Tutanota @jonah @chillybot
Well, some countries in the EU are more privacy oriented. There is room for maneuver.
@Tutanota @jonah @chillybot
Is there an official link to this post/news? Can‘t find anything on their site.
Is there an official link to this post/news? Can‘t find anything on their site.
@Tutanota @jonah @chillybot
What is to say the country they move to doesn't begin doing the same, potentially out of spite given how popular Proton and Tuta are becoming.
@Tutanota @jonah @chillybot
As a Swiss citizen, I assure you that the EU is a better zone. (One of the reasons I use Tutanota). Some points:
- No company has ever been significantly penalized in Switzerland on this issue,
- The SRC, despite numerous legal violations, has never been punished,
- It's a myth that falsely links banking secrecy with data protection,
- All it takes is for a judge to categorize someone as a terrorist, and they lose all protection—case of a French squatter.
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