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Strypey
Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago
#Watching a #MentalOutlaw video that mentions the TPM 2.0 module in the official hardware requirements for Windows 11;

https://tube.archworks.co/w/7e5mfUDxPTxEWJqW7c3Bpz

As you might have guessed, I have thoughts.

TL;DR You don't need to buy a TPM module, or new hardware that has one. Keep your existing PC and replace MS Widows with a reputable GNU/Linux OS. It'll keep working for years with guaranteed software updates, and no viruses, and it'll probably run faster,

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#MicroSoft#Windows#Windows11#TPM #TPM2

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Strypey
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@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago

You could also buy a brand new PC with GNU/Linux preloaded;

https://linuxpreloaded.com/

If you choose wisely you could still be using it in decades, like hardware from pre-enshittification Apple.

To be clear, I'm not encouraging a mass transition to GNU/Linux OS to guilt-trip you into doing what I think is ethical, regardless of the impacts on you. On the contrary, my intent is to warn you that TPM+Windows is as bad for you, as the DRM in John Deere's tractors is for farmers.

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Morten Linderud
Morten Linderud
@Foxboron@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago
@strypey

The TPM is great.

And despite what people have been saying for a decade+ now, the TPM has never been used for DRM.

The reason why Microsoft is trying to require a TPM is to improve platform security on Windows machines.

You can also take ownership of the TPM and gain the same benefits on Linux.

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Strypey
Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago
@Foxboron
> The reason why Microsoft is trying to require a TPM is to improve platform security on Windows machines

Sure. Just like when BorgSoft banned v3 GNU copyleft licenses from Windows Phone;

https://www.theregister.com/2011/02/17/microsoft_bans_opensource_windows_phone/

It wasn't about BorgSoft reserving the right to TiVo app devs' code. It was all about improving platform security.

> You can also take ownership of the TPM and gain the same benefits on Linux

All the more reason for people to use that instead.

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Morten Linderud
Morten Linderud
@Foxboron@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago
@strypey

> Thu 17 Feb 2011

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@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago
@Foxboron
> Thu 17 Feb 2011

A leopard doesn't change its spots. Nothing about BorgSoft's business practices over the last 15 years suggest it has either.

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@Foxboron@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago
@strypey

Like, *even* the FSF have moved on from hating on the TPM at this point.

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@cameron_bosch@floss.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago
@Foxboron @strypey Unfortunately, on many laptops, that's not the only problem. I have a ThinkPad that actually has a TPM 2.0 but fails the CPU requirement BY ONE GENERATION.

Of course it runs Linux now, but a tiny partition less than a 10th of a terabyte runs Windows 10 just for system utilities.

The point is, it never was just about the TPM. It was about planned obsolescence.

Thank goodness I left Windows when 11 was released and Proton became viable for gaming thanks to Valve.

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@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago

But what is TPM and why do you need to avoid it?

TPM stands for Trusted Computing Module. Counterintuitively, this does not mean that your computer can be trusted to faithfully carry out instructions given by you, the person who owns and operates it. But rather by the vendors who made it and sold it to you.

Cory Doctorow ( @pluralistic) warned us about this more than a decade ago, as a major offensive in a "coming war on general-purpose computing";

https://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html

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@jomangee@toot.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago
@pluralistic @strypey really enjoyed the recent book from Cory Doctorow that highlighted that journey of #enshittification that many hardware and software vendors end up on. TPM bricked my laptop boot recently thanks to Windows. Some my friends are installing ArchLinux in response.

Picks & Shovels: Marty Hench at the dawn of enshittification

Martin Hench 3 works, 3 primary works COrVE doctorow reciteam blues a main berch envel Red Team Blues (Martin Hench, #1) by Cory Doctorow 4,544 ratings Published 25 April 2023 Read corV doctorow the bezzle The Bezzle (Martin Hench, #2) by Cory Doctorow 2,258 ratings Published 20 February 2024 Read corv doctorow picks & shovels. Picks and Shovels (Martin Hench, #3) by Cory Doctorow 906 ratings Published 18 February 2025 ReadMartin Hench 3 works, 3 primary works COrVE doctorow reciteam blues a main berch envel Red Team Blues (Martin Hench, #1) by Cory Doctorow 4,544 ratings Published 25 April 2023 Read corV doctorow the bezzle The Bezzle (Martin Hench, #2) by Cory Doctorow 2,258 ratings Published 20 February 2024 Read corv doctorow picks & shovels. Picks and Shovels (Martin Hench, #3) by Cory Doctorow 906 ratings Published 18 February 2025 Read
Martin Hench 3 works, 3 primary works COrVE doctorow reciteam blues a main berch envel Red Team Blues (Martin Hench, #1) by Cory Doctorow 4,544 ratings Published 25 April 2023 Read corV doctorow the bezzle The Bezzle (Martin Hench, #2) by Cory Doctorow 2,258 ratings Published 20 February 2024 Read corv doctorow picks & shovels. Picks and Shovels (Martin Hench, #3) by Cory Doctorow 906 ratings Published 18 February 2025 ReadMartin Hench 3 works, 3 primary works COrVE doctorow reciteam blues a main berch envel Red Team Blues (Martin Hench, #1) by Cory Doctorow 4,544 ratings Published 25 April 2023 Read corV doctorow the bezzle The Bezzle (Martin Hench, #2) by Cory Doctorow 2,258 ratings Published 20 February 2024 Read corv doctorow picks & shovels. Picks and Shovels (Martin Hench, #3) by Cory Doctorow 906 ratings Published 18 February 2025 Read
Martin Hench 3 works, 3 primary works COrVE doctorow reciteam blues a main berch envel Red Team Blues (Martin Hench, #1) by Cory Doctorow 4,544 ratings Published 25 April 2023 Read corV doctorow the bezzle The Bezzle (Martin Hench, #2) by Cory Doctorow 2,258 ratings Published 20 February 2024 Read corv doctorow picks & shovels. Picks and Shovels (Martin Hench, #3) by Cory Doctorow 906 ratings Published 18 February 2025 ReadMartin Hench 3 works, 3 primary works COrVE doctorow reciteam blues a main berch envel Red Team Blues (Martin Hench, #1) by Cory Doctorow 4,544 ratings Published 25 April 2023 Read corV doctorow the bezzle The Bezzle (Martin Hench, #2) by Cory Doctorow 2,258 ratings Published 20 February 2024 Read corv doctorow picks & shovels. Picks and Shovels (Martin Hench, #3) by Cory Doctorow 906 ratings Published 18 February 2025 Read
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Strypey
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@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago

"... [TPM is ideal for] lobbies and interest groups far more influential than Hollywood and big content. Every one of them will arrive at the same place: 'Can't you just make us a general-purpose computer that runs all the programs, except the ones that scare and anger us? Can't you just make us an Internet that transmits any message over any protocol between any two points, unless it upsets us?'"

#CoryDoctorow, 2012

https://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html

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Strypey
Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago

Rejecting TPM hardware has both personal and societal benefits. By upgrading to GNU/Linux instead of accepting the downgrade that is Windows 11, you avoid a situation where BorgSoft has a power of veto over your computing via the TPM module. If enough people do it, we can finally break the BorgSoft monopoly over desktop OS and office software, and defeat the techno-fascist power grab that making TPM compulsory represents. Make no mistake, it is being made compulsory.

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@nhnn@gts.nhnn.dev replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago
@strypey TPM is a chip that allows you to put some key in it, and then retrieve it if the hardware and software haven't changed. You can freely use it on Linux. You're just wrong by saying that it allows situation where "BorgSoft has a power of veto over your computing via the TPM module".
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Strypey
Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago

"... Even for computers that lack firmware TPM all together, buying a module won’t solve a major problem in Windows 11: All systems with unsupported hardware run the risk of being shut out of Windows updates. So sure, you can get a physical module to pair with an older CPU, assuming you have a motherboard with a TPM header. But you won’t stay as secure as supported PCs."

#AlainaYee, 2021

https://www.pcworld.com/article/545941/you-shouldnt-buy-a-tpm-for-windows-11-heres-why.html

Make no mistake folks, this is the end game. Which side are you on?

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☑️✅ cybercow ✅☑️
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@cybercow@social.tchncs.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago
@strypey I have toubt regarding the 'no virus' part but I tatally agree with the rest.
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Strypey
Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 months ago
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> I have doubt regarding the 'no virus' part

Can confirm. Like Mental Outlaw, I've been running GNU/Linux as a daily driver for more than a decade. I've never once had my OS infected by a virus or malware. Unless you count JavaScript, which created problems until I found NoScript.

The only evidence I've seen of viruses on GNU/Linux involved a server running it, being used as a vector to deliver them to Windows systems. The GNU/Linux system itself was unaffected by them.

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