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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell
... in peer to peer its different. There is no main or any instance to choose. you run it on your machine just like everyone else and connect directly... just like anyone else.

no DNS to be censored. no big instqnces to bribe or take over... its literally unsinkable without shutting down the entire internet or boiling the ocean... and that will cause mich bigger problems and even that wont kill it entirely, because you can use bluetooth phone to phone or local wifi connections

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell

hmm.. i meam - this is unfunded and not supposed to be ready for being used yet.

there will be a polished user interface once it reliably works, so maybe a bit "unfair" to take a work in progress open source project 100% by volunteers.

when you say protocol over ppl its hard to understand what you mean.

so far, ppl over protocol meant sysadmins, instance operators or social network owners like musk reign supreme...

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell

...because when issues occur, they can always interfere nad "solve the problem" how they seem fit, against the consent of users.

p2p protocols means sovereign users, the people that SHOULD have the last say on things will have the last say on things and not some "other people", like angry sysadmins ...

so protocols instead of servers owned by tech people, will empower the user people 🙂

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell

haha... just as i finished submitting this message, the following post was boosted and came into my mastodon feed:

https://social.vivaldi.net/@minus423/114820390337363379

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@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied · 4 months ago

@serapath As I talk about a lot all good societies are based on trust, all bad society are based on fear. Q. how can we socially create paths that data stays online?

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell

if A trusts B, A places trust im B.
If it later turns out that trust wasnt justified, A learns and maybe shares their experirnce about B with others.

I think designing systems for trust is great. These are systems for people and we need them.

The p2p protocol are meant to make it a reality to have that kind of situation, because in centralized and fediverse social media, there is NEVER an A trusts B.

Because there is always a party C involved which can interfere

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell

That party C was never meant to be part of the relation between B and A.

An example is a system administrator.
If you host your own website, you kinda implicitly trust, that you hosting company (whether Amazon/AWS) or some smaller one, wont use their power to change server logic, so that your blog readers read something entirely different than what you wrote and published on your blog.

Its an extreme example, but it is the world we live in

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell

There are plenty of social networks out there, including bsky, mastodon and even nostr.
there is also good old atom/rss feeds.

imho there is no point in adding yet another app to this, unless it fundamentally solves some deep problems.

thats where my passion for p2p comes from.
of course i agree, that once it works, the apps built on top have to serve the people ...and we are getting close - thats why i shared the github link - even though its raw unfinished work in progress

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@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied · 4 months ago

@serapath yep that's true, more programming alone is not fixing much, what we need to more social structures building from the grassroots "commons" paths, coding for this is core to what is needed.

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