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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place · 4 months ago

Relay nodes or "servers" are interchangeable and can be used in parallel - as long as a single relay node is reachable, including one on localhost, you have access to the p2p network.

They are proxies to do p2p on behalf of your browser

Here is the preview
https://trulynotafan.github.io/p2p-news-app/

...not much to see yet - and while it might not seem like it, we are getting quite close to completion🙂

Of course - we'll "make it pretty" at some later point maybe, but yeah....

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell @hipsterelectron

Haha, i wish it would go faster.
So many details that need to be figured out.

If you want to follow progress, you can check:
https://github.com/trulynotafan/p2p-news-app

This is the preview. Its as basic and raw as it gets and it does only work when you git clone the project and run it on your device, which includes running a relay on localhost, because we have not yet hosted a relay node in the cloud.

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell @hipsterelectron

Relay nodes or "servers" are interchangeable and can be used in parallel - as long as a single relay node is reachable, including one on localhost, you have access to the p2p network.

They are proxies to do p2p on behalf of your browser

Here is the preview
https://trulynotafan.github.io/p2p-news-app/

...not much to see yet - and while it might not seem like it, we are getting quite close to completion🙂

Of course - we'll "make it pretty" at some later point maybe, but yeah....

hamish campbell

@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied · 4 months ago

@serapath @hipsterelectron

A few questions:

This is very similar to #nostr what is the difference?

Without a user facing front end, it's just tech, and too complex tech at that.

What is the use case as media is public, how would this bridge to #AP and #At etc?

How are external flows of news brought in (almost all news will be reported outside the native network?)

Can it run as a phone app?

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell @hipsterelectron

AT or Bluesky - even though the community marketing attracted to join and use "bsky" is great - it is not decentralized. It is centralized and its design will ensure it stays that way.

Mastodon is fediverse and i love it too - which is why i am here - again for the community.

Mastodon is way more decentralized, but still - users are not sovereign. Any journalist on mastodon has to choose their overlord and switch if they dont like them. Self hosting is hard

hamish campbell

@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied · 4 months ago

@serapath @hipsterelectron

"users" and "sovereign "are not helpful words to use, as they are bot pats to more #techshit

Yep, #p2p is technically better but social its way to often a deadened, because of the #geekproblem

People are social, it's why mastodon works, not to understanding and bridging this as a core part of #p2p media is to add to the #techshit mess, which means more stuff to compost., hope you can see this, I talk about it a lot on the site https://hamishcampbell.com

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell @hipsterelectron

i am happy to change the wording - but i'd like to understand if we are talking about a misunderstanding here.

I am using the word "user" in the sense of me being a mastodon user. Its meant to be neutral, but if you have a better sugfestion, i can adapt 🙂

The word "self sovereign identity" comes from the understanding that in a democracy "the sovereign" are the people.

But whether democracy or social networks in all shapes... the foundation are sovereign ppl

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell @hipsterelectron

i am happy to change the wording - but i'd like to understand if we are talking about a misunderstanding here.

I am using the word "user" in the sense of me being a mastodon user. Its meant to be neutral, but if you have a better sugfestion, i can adapt 🙂

The word "self sovereign identity" comes from the understanding that in a democracy "the sovereign" are the people.

But whether democracy or social networks in all shapes... the foundation are sovereign ppl

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell @hipsterelectron

Only true p2p makes self hosting the trivial default - in fact there is no other way.

You download the app on your computer and you connect with other journalists directly and your readers download it from the p2p network too. There are no intermediaries. No "system administrators" that can lock you out of your account or data or censor you or edit your data, etc...

Journalists are sovereign and nothing can change that. Thats why p2p matters.

hamish campbell

@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied · 4 months ago

@serapath @hipsterelectron

This is both true and a #geekproblem deadened, we need fewer dead-ends in this #openweb reboot, please.

How would the code you are writing fit DIRECTLY into #makeinghistory and #indymediaback

PS my keyboard as stopped working so likely missing letters :)

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@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social replied · 4 months ago

@serapath @hipsterelectron

That's all good and true, but we are social creatures so where are the relationships if everyone can be a technical individual this is food for though for the #geekproblem

And is why the #indymediaback project is a path out of this :)

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell @hipsterelectron

plenty of questions.

nostr needs relays to work and the nostr stack is a very simple toy stack built on unreliably propagating json data around.

dat is older and more mature, but can do heavy lifting. keet for example does video/audio live conferencing and arbitrary sized filesharing with ease.

...but more importantly - dat is high performance and works p2p between end user decvices directly.

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell @hipsterelectron

dat in the browser isnt true p2p, only as much as nostr, but allows ppl to get a working version of dat to get to know or build more p2p tools, which will then also work natively without browsers ...or in p2p first browsers like aggregore.

this is all more for allowing ppl to explore dat and p2p without the need to commit to a new p2p browser or to build native p2p apps immediately.

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@serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place replied · 4 months ago

@hamishcampbell @hipsterelectron

there is media everywhere.
X, truthsocial, mastodon, bsky, nostr, print, its as diverse as humanity. dat allows public - in spirit "rss/atom feed style" news... uncensorable and with sovereign and if needed anonymous publishers. dat was made for open data and open science and ...whether its compatible with AP or At protocol? ..you can always bridge everything, the way you can follow mastodon folks on nostr too

But key in p2p is self sovereign users/journalists

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