Strypey
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Hey @fdroidorg, there's a very vocal peanut gallery here who cannot and will not understand strategic cooperation.

They've been mindflayed by DataFarms to the point where anything that does not perfectly fit their morality, on all counts, at all times, is the enemy. They would cancel their own Grandma for sending them a Hallmark card on their birthday, because 'promoting evil corporation'.

EDIT: typo (missing word)
Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago
@AVincentInSpace
> i suggest you open a history book and look at any of the times it has been tried

You can say that about absolutely anything. If you're making a case for something, as opposed to just editorialising for the sake of it, you need to be more specific. Then you need to be a *lot* more specific. See the posts I just made about polycrisis.
Vincent Sparks
@AVincentInSpace@furry.engineer  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago
@strypey japan strategically collaborated with the nazis in WWII with promises of extra territory, ended the war with half the territory they started with. log cabin republicans strategically collaborated with mainstream conservatives, got thrown under the bus. radical feminists collaborated with transphobes to "keep men out of women's spaces", who then didn't care that imane kheif was cis. LGB alliance also collaborated with mainstream conservaitves to get rid of those filthy transes, guess what happened next. how many more examples do you want?
Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

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@AVincentInSpace
Firstly, that's some through cherry-picking. Of course, I can produce a laundry list of country-examples twice as long, and I'm happy to demonstrate if that's the game you want to play.

But my point was not that strategic cooperation always works, quite the opposite. So to say anything meaningful about it requires looking at the specific conditions that determine which kinds work, and which don't, and why. I'm not seeing anything like that from you so far.

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Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

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Secondly, what I was criticising there is not the attacks on Brave and its founder. I don't have much to add to what I said about that here;

disintermedia.substack.com/p/e

What I was frustrated by was the knee-jerk attacks on F-Droid and the handwaves about forking it. All based on the mistaken assumption that they were promoting Brave, and by implication the social attitudes of its founder. They weren't even doing any such thing;

mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/114

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Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz  ·  activity timestamp last week

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Because they don't understand strategic cooperation, they're useless at organising or creating anything. But they do have a knack for trying to dogpile and destroy anything that doesn't conform to their authoritarian morality.

They're very loud, but fortunately they're also completely ineffective. As FSF, FediLab, GIMP, and many other Free Code projects have found, if you do not feed the concern trolls, they eventually find a new shiny thing to hate on.

EDIT: typo (double word score)
Jesse
@jesse@chaos.social  ·  activity timestamp last week
@strypey
Mere minutes before these posts, you made another post where you questioned if Firefox was still salvageable, or if it was too enshittified.

So it feels like you are taking issue with something you just did yourself, only a few minutes before?

Maybe I don't understand? Maybe, you think your complaints are somehow more valid? Or is it to do with the volume of the complaints?
tsk
@tasket@infosec.exchange  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago
@jesse @strypey Yeah, um Firefox now has an "anonymized" ad tracking system...... like Brave. If the issue is "broken governance" then what is great about Brave's governance? Why has Brave's also low adoption rate somehow been the fault of Mozilla? (Bizarro...)

If you take the crap out of Firefox, you have something like Librewolf or other fine browser. If you take the crap out of Brave, you have Chromium with an ad blocker. However, the Chrome/Chromium model is inferior because it doesn't have FPI https://www.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/egq95n/is_there_a_similar_feature_to_firstparty/ .... silo-ing 3rd part content to maintain privacy is against the financial interests of both Google and Brave Inc.
Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz  ·  activity timestamp last week

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@jesse
> it feels like you are taking issue with something you just did yourself, only a few minutes before?

The difference is, read in the context of my comments a couple of days ago;

mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/114

... I'm trying to start a discussion among people who use apps based on Firefox and other software stewarded by Mozilla. About how can work with the developers who work with that software, both inside and outside Mozilla, to fix or replace its fundamentally broken governance.
Strypey
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz  ·  activity timestamp last week

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What I'm criticising here is people slamming F-Droid for criticising proprietary software wrong. That's right, the post everyone is dogpiling on was not praising Brave, it was criticising them for not publishing all their code under free licenses.

But instead of trying to understand the issues at play, those replies are doing what ChuckGPT does; pick out some keywords and free associate a plausible sentence in response.

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Matija Nalis
@mnalis@mastodon.online  ·  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@fdroidorg
dislike... "we don't promote X, but here is a promotion of X" is a bad idea.

I would prefer if it was framed like: "While anybody can create a #Fdroid repository, there is no guarantee that it will contain fully (or even partially!) #FOSS apps. Unfortunately, that is still the situation with #Brave. We appeal to them to make #BraveBrowser fully free software by getting rid of non-free bits, so they can publish on f-droid.org - which guarantees FOSS-only apps"

@brave